Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

The Bulge · Post Post #2925 (ISO) » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:15 pm

now you're onto something

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2926 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:17 am

In post 2828, Something_Smart wrote:ah yes, confusion-inducing pagetops.

I forgot to mention that April rose. Perhaps like so?

morph
Bell, Bulge, +J, April
Tunnel, midwaybear
Muffin, Remilia, 420
Alisae, Maid Cafe

why is maid cafe below 420? i have them swapped atm

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2927 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:10 am

sorry i was away this weekend mostly.
rn after catching up i think im at:

town read: {Morph, bell}

townlean: {april, midway, SS}

weak townlean: {bulge}

weak scumlean: {ST, muffin}

scumlean: {remi, maria, aliase}

scumread: {420}
no reason i think to go over slots that didn't change since last time

April, after thinking it over, seems like he'd be taking a massive risk as scum to be provable and i don't think he'd be able to wiggle out of that as scum lategame, i've warmed up to him more but i still don't trust them fully, i mainly dislike the townblocks being formed, that seems to me like it'd just give a townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point

Bulge I disliked their early game but I've liked their more recent posts, they've been going up
some examples are their readlist (i love in depth readlists), 2765 (solid scumhunt question), 2323 (good scumhunt question), 2296 (poking holes in ideas), 2266 (exposing flaws), amd 2545 (good analysis) are posts I think are more likely to come from town!bulge.

St dropped from weak townlean to weak scumlean, and to be honest the only reason was my spot on the readlist. Everyone else had a bit of explanation but me and I asked for their reasoning and I don't recall them answering me; they seemed to dodge the question. The fact it started a wagon on me is also sus, there may have been some strings being pulled in mafia PT. But I admit this might be me being biased/omgussy cause its my slot so I only dropped them one slot. Still waiting on why they SR me.

Muffin has gone up a bit too for the same reason as bulge, I see a townier mindset from them now but i also can see scum!muffin.
posts I liked from muffin and think are more likely to come from town: 2201 (solid scumhunt question), 2133 (uncertainty), and 2014 (admitting flaws)

ali went way down for the switch on ST based on ST's readlist that made little sense and I feel like they voted me earlier to survive. I can see them being with 420 to try and divert the wagon off of 420 if 420 is red. I'm voting them over 420 atm because I want to apply pressure on that slot.

420 is an awful town liability at best and just scummy all around. I wasn't a fan of prism either. 420 is still my main preferred elim today but it's been clear to me that they aren't responding to pressure but I think ali will.

i'd prefer killing 420 or ali today mainly. In the event of near deadline and we need an elim I'd vote for any of my weak scumleans or scumleans too.

Bell · Post Post #2928 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:47 am

Why do you want to apply pressure on alisae over 420?

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2929 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:51 am

420 just did a prodge last time and has been in general unresponsive. Ali at least posts stuff so we could possibly get a better look into their head and get responses from ali which I don't think we'll get from 420.

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2930 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:52 am

also i'd like bulges thoughts on midway since he left it blank in his list

Bell · Post Post #2931 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:55 am

I see. If you were scum this game or any other game how would you play differently here than you were currently playing?

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2932 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:03 am

Unfortunately I haven't gotten the chance to do a proper scumgame on this website yet even though I'd really like to try it out. My last scumgame was 5 years ago when I first got into mafia, and from memory I was basically an agreeable log with 0 opinions, lurking a lot and going with the flow. I don't think that I'd go to that extreme if i rolled scum but I would be somewhat more passive I'm pretty sure.

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2933 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:06 am

How about you Bell? I only know you as obvtown bell so I'm not sure if you rolled scun if you'd be an akward goon or play the same. I don't wanna read meta but I trust you to be truthful since other metaheads could call you out.

Bell · Post Post #2934 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:04 am

I’m sort of always obv town bell.
I’ve been scum twice since I got back from break.

I’m a little more respectful as scum. I probably wouldn’t make self aware posts or mention what I would do as scum in relation to another player’s play. I don’t hop around as much. I’ll always talk to everyone and i’ll stay active as either alignment if I get the chance. When I roll scum I try to play the role but my motivation is primarily to let others have fun and not make the game super boring. I usually give every player somewhat of a hard time when i’m Town but I give out more town reads and collab earlier as scum and question them a little less. For a longer self meta case see the forest game I linked where it was meta defense central.

April Ludgate · Post Post #2935 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:50 am

In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point

Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.

Maid Cafe · Post Post #2936 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:17 am

VOTE: Alisae

I would love a 420 execute but since the day is stalling this seems to be the best place to move forward regardless of the flip.

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2937 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:19 am

In post 2935, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point
Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.

townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that

morph the cat · Post Post #2938 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:22 am

In post 2936, Maid Cafe wrote:VOTE: Alisae

I would love a 420 execute but since the day is stalling this seems to be the best place to move forward regardless of the flip.

I've really been impressed with your catch up walls. So impressed I almost voted you last night.

Maid Cafe · Post Post #2939 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:28 am

In post 2938, morph the cat wrote:
In post 2936, Maid Cafe wrote:VOTE: Alisae

I would love a 420 execute but since the day is stalling this seems to be the best place to move forward regardless of the flip.
I've really been impressed with your catch up walls. So impressed I almost voted you last night.

It would've been interesting to hear you come up with an excuse to vote me. Disappointed you didn't.

morph the cat · Post Post #2940 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:30 am

In post 2937, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 2935, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point
Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.
townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that

This is not how I use the term. I would like my strongest townreads to townread each other, but that isn't always going to happen.

My townbloc is my self-selected advisory council. Their reads have a greater level of influence on my reads and sense of the game than other players in the game. How much influence varies from game to game.

morph the cat · Post Post #2941 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:32 am

In post 2939, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 2938, morph the cat wrote:
In post 2936, Maid Cafe wrote:VOTE: Alisae

I would love a 420 execute but since the day is stalling this seems to be the best place to move forward regardless of the flip.
I've really been impressed with your catch up walls. So impressed I almost voted you last night.
It would've been interesting to hear you come up with an excuse to vote me. Disappointed you didn't.

I don't need or make excuses for my votes.

Your excuse for an alisae vote, is, however, noted.

April Ludgate · Post Post #2942 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:32 am

In post 2937, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 2935, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point
Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.
townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that

It seems like that is the case based on everyone in it’s proposed reads minus Remelia-you.

April Ludgate · Post Post #2943 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:33 am

Only other person in it is Bell, who we all have as higher up.

Maid Cafe · Post Post #2944 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:36 am

In post 2941, morph the cat wrote:
In post 2939, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 2938, morph the cat wrote:
In post 2936, Maid Cafe wrote:VOTE: Alisae

I would love a 420 execute but since the day is stalling this seems to be the best place to move forward regardless of the flip.
I've really been impressed with your catch up walls. So impressed I almost voted you last night.
It would've been interesting to hear you come up with an excuse to vote me. Disappointed you didn't.
I don't need or make excuses for my votes.

Your excuse for an alisae vote, is, however, noted.

Odd, considering you were about to. Along with the fact I gave very clear reason for my vote but I'm not about to argue over an obvious statement. I suggest you move on to something more productive.

April Ludgate · Post Post #2945 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:37 am

@Maria - Morph is noted as possible scum with Alisae or there’s a possibility they’ve been scumTMI’ing town Alisae.

Not sure which I think is more likely atm, but I believe Alisae’s the right play to go moving forward, as much as I’d like to play with a town Alisae, I don’t think that’s the world we’re living in.

PlusJOYED · Post Post #2946 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:38 am

In post 2942, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2937, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 2935, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point
Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.
townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that
It seems like that is the case based on everyone in it’s proposed reads minus Remelia-you.

what does this mean
also noted on the townblock stuff morph thanks

Maid Cafe · Post Post #2947 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:38 am

In post 2937, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 2935, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point
Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.
townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that

Townblocks are inherently awful, it's been a proven fact in most cases. However, April/FL has always been a fan of them and poking the subject at hand is...off to say the least.

(We can go into why townblocks are bad but just take note of the reads itself)

April Ludgate · Post Post #2948 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:39 am

In post 2940, morph the cat wrote:
In post 2937, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 2935, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2927, PlusJOYED wrote:townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point
Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.
townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that
This is not how I use the term. I would like my strongest townreads to townread each other, but that isn't always going to happen.

My townbloc is my self-selected advisory council. Their reads have a greater level of influence on my reads and sense of the game than other players in the game. How much influence varies from game to game.

However, like others have stated, Morph town will show their hand, and I like a lot of things they say, I just know their scum game is more than capable of also saying things I would like.

Maid Cafe · Post Post #2949 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:39 am

In post 2945, April Ludgate wrote:@Maria - Morph is noted as possible scum with Alisae or there’s a possibility they’ve been scumTMI’ing town Alisae.

Not sure which I think is more likely atm, but I believe Alisae’s the right play to go moving forward, as much as I’d like to play with a town Alisae, I don’t think that’s the world we’re living in.

Oh don't worry I understand. Me and Bee have been talking and my meta townread on Alisae isn't enough to stall a day phase over when Bee isn't fully townreading them and over half the thread wants them gone.

Regardless of what Alisae is it's clearly that they're the best Day 1 flip based on information alone.