Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Menalque]

burden of proficiency

hmmm

[shellyc]

Note to self do not reconsider my reads or change my stances ever again.

Note to self do not townread people.

also how am I pocketing you if I now think you're scum

[Datisi]

[snip]
i don't know if it is (and @BM you're free to jump in here and correct me) but that's kinda the impression i got (since tbh the thing kinda looked like a pissing contest)

Sorry I don't even know what he's talking about dude, help a brother out!? You're probably right though, so I'll just agree with you in ignorance

what i was trying to say is that the impression i got from your menalque "read" is that it's a joke? like what i read was "hurr durr i could flip you if i wanted to" "no u" "u wanna go m8?", and i'm saying, if you *do* have a legit scumread on menalque, (1) correct me and (2) tell me more

and considering i see a mena vote in your next post, i guess i was wrong?

IIRC it was Always town!menal who pulled this shit but i'll look towards Datisi 'The Keeper Of Games' for confirmation

ahem, yes, that is correct. town!menalque fakeclaimed mason in newbie 1989 where iconeum was a mason, and town!menalque fakeclaimed port authority in smuggler's port [insert ptsd flashbacks here] where iconeum was the port authority.

ok i made it to my first catchup post, finally, be bacc in a sec

notes:
- ico prob town and we need to dance
- i was thinking about dropping a hot take vote on shelly but i see in pedits mena already did that and now it wouldn't be a hot take anymore, so sad
- jesus guys please chill i'm still half asleep

[Menalque]

So I guess I’m struggling to see what the town!otivation was in you shutting that down early

no u

I mean there may not have been oudles of town!motivation in me doing it in the first place as opposed to “lol icon’s in the game what are we going with today”

But it was generating discussion and idk why you decided to close that down early by outing it

[shellyc]

Ok heres some info for all who wish to scumread me
I keep rolling scum and i have almost forgotten how to play town.

[Datisi]

oh yeah, there actually is one (1) thing bothering me about BM, but later

pedit: pls let me post

[bob3141]

VOTE: shelly

HMMMMMMMMM
what if menal is scum

So do you think menal is scum or not. Your earlier posts talk about a guy read on menal with later ones talking about how you think menal is fence sitting. If I'm reading post 431 correctly.


As menal does not appear to me to be fence-sitting in that post you quoted. It just looks like a fellow townie that has seen something that has two explanations and is trying to sort which is the more likely case.

So not exactly sure how you could go for gut town reading menal to entertaining the possibility of menal being scum.

So do you still believe in your gut menal town read?

[shellyc]

ico UTR is getting concerning at this point, makes me feel like theres pocketing scum in there

[Menalque]

Note to self do not reconsider my reads or change my stances ever again.

Note to self do not townread people.

also how am I pocketing you if I now think you're scum

That’s... not what was said? There’s nothing wrong with changing stances/reads nor did I say there was. But there needs to be evidence of a thought process there to back that up and I don’t see it with you, I just see you changing your reads to suit the situation.

I also think you nisunderstanding what I’m saying in a hyperbolic way is scummy fwiw

All of your initial posting is about how I’m townpinging you or towny for this or that, agreeing with my takes etc. Then the moment I start putting pressure on you suddenly all that vanishes and I’m prob!scum?

[shellyc]

So do you think menal is scum or not. Your earlier posts talk about a guy read on menal with later ones talking about how you think menal is fence sitting. If I'm reading post 431 correctly.


As menal does not appear to me to be fence-sitting in that post you quoted. It just looks like a fellow townie that has seen something that has two explanations and is trying to sort which is the more likely case.

So not exactly sure how you could go for gut town reading menal to entertaining the possibility of menal being scum.

So do you still believe in your gut menal town read?

My gut thinks menalque is town
Logic believes menalque is scum

the classic dilemma
I was trying to entertain counterfactuals for once (my weakness as either alignment) and I'm still trying to sort them

[Iconeum]

So I guess I’m struggling to see what the town!otivation was in you shutting that down early

no u

I mean there may not have been oudles of town!motivation in me doing it in the first place as opposed to “lol icon’s in the game what are we going with today”

But it was generating discussion and idk why you decided to close that down early by outing it

if you think i'm gonna let you have the joy of toying with me like that, dude

what you been smoking

[shellyc]

I also think you nisunderstanding what I’m saying in a hyperbolic way is scummy fwiw

why is sarcasm scummy tho

[Menalque]

Also ftr me fakeclaiming isn’t a trust tell because I fakeclaimed cop in my opening post of PyP when I was playing on DonCorleone

[Iconeum]

ok i'll go retract my report

[Iconeum]

@menalisi, why did you vote shelly/is shelly a hot take?

[Menalque]

I also think you nisunderstanding what I’m saying in a hyperbolic way is scummy fwiw

why is sarcasm scummy tho

Why are you engaging with this and not the rest of my post?

But hyperbole is scummy because it’s often a scum tactic to discredit what the person is saying. It’s reductio ad absurdum — instead of dealing with the actual reasons I said you’re scummy, you scale it to “mena is saying you can’t change stances or flip your reads or you’re scum” which is clearly a bonkers thing to say and undermines my (very valid) actual reasons for why I think you’re scum

[Menalque]

Yeh okay, I feel like you’re trying to pocket me, and your reads/takes generally have an ephemerality to then that makes me feel like they’re not real, and I think the most concrete example of that if your flip on BMvNoraa from TvS!likely (when you were entering thread and giving reasons for TRing me) to TvT!likely when it seemed like more support was being voiced for that slightly later on

[bob3141]

So do you think menal is scum or not. Your earlier posts talk about a guy read on menal with later ones talking about how you think menal is fence sitting. If I'm reading post 431 correctly.


As menal does not appear to me to be fence-sitting in that post you quoted. It just looks like a fellow townie that has seen something that has two explanations and is trying to sort which is the more likely case.

So not exactly sure how you could go for gut town reading menal to entertaining the possibility of menal being scum.

So do you still believe in your gut menal town read?

My gut thinks menalque is town
Logic believes menalque is scum

the classic dilemma
I was trying to entertain counterfactuals for once (my weakness as either alignment) and I'm still trying to sort them

So your saying you're having trouble reconciling the two. So if you are town why do you think your gut is saying town, while your logic is saying menal must be scum.

[Menalque]

@icon

I also think her response to me: town -> scum despite the posts calling me town earlier are scum!indicative for her

[Menalque]

So I guess I’m struggling to see what the town!otivation was in you shutting that down early

no u

I mean there may not have been oudles of town!motivation in me doing it in the first place as opposed to “lol icon’s in the game what are we going with today”

But it was generating discussion and idk why you decided to close that down early by outing it

if you think i'm gonna let you have the joy of toying with me like that, dude

what you been smoking

Yes but at that point it’s no longer about you and me so much as it’s about how everyone else reacts to it

Esp as it was a v believable claim based on the public setup information which implies that there are neighbourhoods/masonries/neighbouriser in the game

[Datisi]

fuck me there's 2 more pages

If I knew him already, I’d say that’s probably a p good way of trying to pocket me, but I don’t. So provided he isn’t scum with like, datisi who told him that’s exactly the sort of thing I’d like,

ehm, real talk, is it bad i actually didn't know this?

@shelly, don't think i get it? like is your logic that scum!taylor sees a tvt shitfight but she's afraid of stepping in so she truthfully calls it tvt?

should i be worried you're saying this while quoting a post where he's calling me town, asking for a friend

probably

yes hello what seems to be the issue officer

ico can we talk about this once i manage to get to the presentwhat's the non-townie logic in the first part?

'i scumread player x after reading the game'

also: 'i think the game is all spam and utterly useless'

what doesn't comply here?

i didn't think he said it was *all* spam and useless? like i got the impression he's saying it was mostly that, and as someone who was here real time while it was rolling out, i very much share the sentiment that it felt like noise and annoying to read through

history of scum having that opening?

also reading the ico/mena pt shit makes my head hurt

[Iconeum]

fuck me there's 2 more pages

i uhhh

well

good luck

[Iconeum]

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

seems reasonably all-in on the 'pretty spammy and unhelpful' part, while also maintaining that they could a scumread out of it

[Iconeum]

that was @datisium

[Iconeum]

4 minutes without a post

game ded