Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Datisi]

VOTE: shelly

ico UTR is getting concerning at this point, makes me feel like theres pocketing scum in there

who's townreading ico other than username and me?

My gut thinks menalque is town
Logic believes menalque is scum

err, what's the logic behind it? just the "burden of proficiency" thing?

@menalisi, why did you vote shelly/is shelly a hot take?

a couple of things i noticed while reading
- 238 pinged me because "lol this sounds forced" is imo a very ~easy~ thing for scum to say about someone and it's not exactly ssomething you can defend (also it's like one of go-to's for scumtisi though i might be projecting here)
- calling taylor fence-sitting for what i thought was the opposite of that
- while calling teacher townlean after a post i thought was more fence-sitty than taylor's
- saying we should think about noraavBM being tvt (275) but then noraa tunneling is anti-town no matter what, how does town have that level of confidence (344)
- the play around you/mena claiming a PT felt a lot like rolefishing?
- also the "wow ico utr there is scum pocketing him" when like? how many people have expressed a townread on you? (i'll take this back if i missed other townreads on you because it's possible i did but also this isn't a huge point so you know)

also the fact that mena made the vote i was thinking of making is making me feel nice about town!mena

pedit: ico i'm trYING

[Datisi]

oooh sweet pagetop

[Datisi]

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

seems reasonably all-in on the 'pretty spammy and unhelpful' part, while also maintaining that they could a scumread out of it

devil's advocate says "pretty spammy" means "mostly spammy" not "all of it is spam"

but agree to disagree? i don't think arguing about this is gonna get us anywhere

[Iconeum]

ico UTR

is getting concerning at this point, makes me feel like theres pocketing scum in there

ico UTR

ico

UTR

i did it mom!
i finally fucking did it!

i'm townread on Day 1!
bring out the big boy steak!

[Gypyx]

4 minutes without a post

game ded

I know right, time to prod the entire PL

[Datisi]

i'm townread on Day 1!
bring out the big boy steak!

oh so all those games where i townread you on day one meant nothing!?

[Iconeum]

ok but

UTR!

[shellyc]

dats didn’t you concur with my teacher read though? contradiction

[shellyc]

- the play around you/mena claiming a PT felt a lot like rolefishing?
- also the "wow ico utr there is scum pocketing him" when like? how many people have expressed a townread on you? (i'll take this back if i missed other townreads on you because it's possible i did but also this isn't a huge point so you know)

?????

I didnt rolefish?
is this meant for ico

[shellyc]

who's townreading ico other than username and me?

I am, and iirc menal was at some point

[Iconeum]

dats didn’t you concur with my teacher read though? contradiction

go on?

wdym?

[Iconeum]

who's townreading ico other than username and me?

I am, and iirc menal was at some point

12 players me not included

you, menal, let's include datisi

that's 9 out of 12 NOT townreading me explicitely

where does the UTR come from then?

[Iconeum]

and that's not saying that I don't feel the town loving vibes from menal LOL

[Datisi]

dats didn’t you concur with my teacher read though? contradiction

i agreed with your conclusion (i.e. teacher townlean), i think the way you're getting there is scummy
one of teacher's posts (i think the last one) felt more fence-sitty than taylor's (note that i don't think fence-sitting is scum!indicative)
yet you were attacking taylor but townreadign teacher

- the play around you/mena claiming a PT felt a lot like rolefishing?
- also the "wow ico utr there is scum pocketing him" when like? how many people have expressed a townread on you? (i'll take this back if i missed other townreads on you because it's possible i did but also this isn't a huge point so you know)

?????

I didnt rolefish?
is this meant for ico

no, that is meant for you
"ico please confirm if you're in a pt" and voting him when he continued ignoring you about that felt very much like a rolefish

who's townreading ico other than username and me?

I am, and iirc menal was at some point

so... do you think one of us is scum trying to pocket ico then?

[Datisi]

ay yo ico, when you gonna tell me why i am scum so we can argue about it?

[Iconeum]

maybe tomorrow

[Gypyx]

The worst is now backup modding this game, say hi to him and thanks

[Iconeum]

Rawr!

[Datisi]

hi duckee!!

[Alonzo]

Quack

[bob3141]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

I feel greatly bullied here btw
y'all tunnel hard
accuse me of using AtE if u wish. In a way it is asking u to stop tunneling this hard

The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

to elaborate a bit on my read - nora right now is doing exactly to bm what they are accusing bm of doing to others. the hypocrisy is not lost. i don't see nora vs bm as TvT but right now I'm null on BM and scumreading nora, and i absolutely think this could be an SvS bussing episode.
i'm slightly confused as to why town would be this confident in a read that they have developed in the first few hours of the game? if you're THIS confident that BM is scum, then simply voting them and removing them (without "keeping an eye out" for the other scum) would give town a massive leg up. i'm looking at nora as potential scum, and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner. piisirrational is looking pretty good to me right now, although i will acknowledge that i am biased towards analyzers/gamesolvers so i'm putting him as a null, maybe a slight townlean. although menalque is kinda annoying me with their posting frequency, i'm townleaning them because they seem at least a little bit genuine about trying to read the BM/Nora bandwagon. no one else has enough substance to be read right now.

to respond to #224 - no it didn't; most players haven't posted anything substantial yet.

I'm not really seeing the svs vibes between battlemage v nora. They both seem pretty adamant in their claimed belief that the other is scum. Now I feel it's not impossible but it does look pretty unlikely as the flow of conversation was quite quick. For the nora v BM to be some WIFOM to make us think that they couldn't possibly partnered with each other.

[bob3141]

Im feeling a slight lean town lean on golden, as if golden was partnered with either of bm or noraa i just dont think he would come in and push the fresh idea that they are just scum getting in early bussing.

Especially after choosing to vote for the one with the largest wagon. Of the two players he has stated as being svs. And not only that but a fourth vote on the first wagon. An ice breaker often done by town.

[shellyc]

Im feeling a slight lean town lean on golden, as if golden was partnered with either of bm or noraa i just dont think he would come in and push the fresh idea that they are just scum getting in early bussing.

Especially after choosing to vote for the one with the largest wagon. Of the two players he has stated as being svs. And not only that but a fourth vote on the first wagon. An ice breaker often done by town.

however Golden also states a world in which BM is null and at the end of the day if Golden believes it's SvS why not vote for BM?

[shellyc]

"ico please confirm if you're in a pt" and voting him when he continued ignoring you about that felt very much like a rolefish

I want to hear explanations from people and I vote for them to pressure them into giving explanations

is that not valid

[Menalque]

I also think you nisunderstanding what I’m saying in a hyperbolic way is scummy fwiw

why is sarcasm scummy tho

Why are you engaging with this and not the rest of my post?

But hyperbole is scummy because it’s often a scum tactic to discredit what the person is saying. It’s reductio ad absurdum — instead of dealing with the actual reasons I said you’re scummy, you scale it to “mena is saying you can’t change stances or flip your reads or you’re scum” which is clearly a bonkers thing to say and undermines my (very valid) actual reasons for why I think you’re scum

Wanna respond to this now