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[Menalque]

Some people think I’m yoinkers

[shellyc]

i agreed with your conclusion (i.e. teacher townlean), i think the way you're getting there is scummy
one of teacher's posts (i think the last one) felt more fence-sitty than taylor's (note that i don't think fence-sitting is scum!indicative)
yet you were attacking taylor but townreadign teacher

can you elaborate

teachers last post shades taylor and alonzo. i dont think thats fence-sitting at all. he also states noraavBM is TvS which is an Opinion

also where did you get the teacher townpings then?

[Menalque]

But I just think I’m free
Man I’m just livin my life there’s nothin crazy bout me

[Menalque]

err, what's the logic behind it? just the "burden of proficiency" thing?

Also respond to this from datisi

[shellyc]

yes I missed that

menal shading me for my personality (sarcastic behaviour) isn’t a valid train of logic because it’s not AI for me

your actual arguments is that I change stances and go with the flow but sometimes the consensus is correct and we can’t all have Hot Takes

[Datisi]

"ico please confirm if you're in a pt" and voting him when he continued ignoring you about that felt very much like a rolefish

I want to hear explanations from people and I vote for them to pressure them into giving explanations

is that not valid

nobody said that voting people to pressure them into giving explanations isn't "valid"???

i'm saying the subject that you were pressing on is scummy

[shellyc]

oh why am I missing so many things

firstly the BoP thing, secondly menal doesn't really articulate the point of scum!noraa and just says they're playing in a agenda way

[shellyc]

i'm saying the subject that you were pressing on is scummy

I interpreted that as my vote being scummy

you could see it as rolefish but idrt finding out about a neighbourhood is discovering some real amazing PR

[Menalque]

That’s really barely saying anything at all.

Yes, sometimes the consensus is correct. That doesn’t give you carte blanche to justify whatever shift of your reads that you like. I want to see what the thought process was behind you deciding that instead of being likely TvS you decided it was likely TvT. I want to know why, after calling me town/townpings several times you immediately came out with “hmmm maybe mena is scum” the second I so much as breathed in your direction.

[Datisi]

i agreed with your conclusion (i.e. teacher townlean), i think the way you're getting there is scummy
one of teacher's posts (i think the last one) felt more fence-sitty than taylor's (note that i don't think fence-sitting is scum!indicative)
yet you were attacking taylor but townreadign teacher

can you elaborate

teachers last post shades taylor and alonzo. i dont think thats fence-sitting at all. he also states noraavBM is TvS which is an Opinion

also where did you get the teacher townpings then?

i was thinking of the "BM/Noraa does look TvS to me, but Im not really sure what way" line
like level-zero thinking says that's more fence-sitty than taylor saying bm/noraa are t/t and i'm curious if you think fence-sitting is scummy why don't you think teacher is scummy

also Gut(tm)

[Menalque]

menal shading me for my personality (sarcastic behaviour) isn’t a valid train of logic because it’s not AI for me

Just because something is part of someone’s behaviour also doesn’t make that not dubious in a game context. If someone is a compulsive liar as part of their RL personality and they compulsively lie in game, that doesn’t make their continuous lying less scummy. Scum tactic is a scum tactic

[Datisi]

@shelly, don't think i get it? like is your logic that scum!taylor sees a tvt shitfight but she's afraid of stepping in so she truthfully calls it tvt?

shelly i think you missed this too (response to 429 i think)

[Menalque]

secondly menal doesn't really articulate the point of scum!noraa and just says they're playing in a agenda way

Where did I say this

[shellyc]

Yes, sometimes the consensus is correct. That doesn’t give you carte blanche to justify whatever shift of your reads that you like. I want to see what the thought process was behind you deciding that instead of being likely TvS you decided it was likely TvT. I want to know why, after calling me town/townpings several times you immediately came out with “hmmm maybe mena is scum” the second I so much as breathed in your direction.

Ok I reread things. I also reconsider things.

At first glance noraavsBM looked TvS because it kinda felt like noraas scumgame but noraa is consistently LHF so I was reconsidering + man ico is charismatic

the hmmm maybe menal is scum thing was also slightly exagerrated and the way you deflect that back onto me feels like youre shading me instead of trying to sort me. which is +scumpoints

i'll elaborate tomorrow but i need sleep now

[Menalque]

Note to self do not reconsider my reads or change my stances ever again.

Note to self do not townread people.

also how am I pocketing you if I now think you're scum

That’s... not what was said? There’s nothing wrong with changing stances/reads nor did I say there was. But there needs to be evidence of a thought process there to back that up and I don’t see it with you, I just see you changing your reads to suit the situation.

I also think you nisunderstanding what I’m saying in a hyperbolic way is scummy fwiw

All of your initial posting is about how I’m townpinging you or towny for this or that, agreeing with my takes etc. Then the moment I start putting pressure on you suddenly all that vanishes and I’m prob!scum?

Also respond to the rest of this. You cherrypicked the part about you being hyperbolic to avoid responding to the other reasons why I think you’re scum.

[shellyc]

shelly i think you missed this too (response to 429 i think)

taylor could be scum with someone of {BM, Noraa} not ruling out TvS just yet

besides whats scum motivation for taylor to step into a tvt shitfight, they can just hang out in the shadows

[shellyc]

Note to self do not reconsider my reads or change my stances ever again.

Note to self do not townread people.

also how am I pocketing you if I now think you're scum

That’s... not what was said? There’s nothing wrong with changing stances/reads nor did I say there was. But there needs to be evidence of a thought process there to back that up and I don’t see it with you, I just see you changing your reads to suit the situation.

I also think you nisunderstanding what I’m saying in a hyperbolic way is scummy fwiw

All of your initial posting is about how I’m townpinging you or towny for this or that, agreeing with my takes etc. Then the moment I start putting pressure on you suddenly all that vanishes and I’m prob!scum?

Also respond to the rest of this. You cherrypicked the part about you being hyperbolic to avoid responding to the other reasons why I think you’re scum.

like im overdefensive of myself + play very bad under pressure so i think i just triggered that again
yeah you're townpinging because the Voices of my Gut deem you town but im trying to re-evaluate

[Menalque]

@513 okay where are the posts that you reread that made you reconsider? Should be pretty easy to find if it’s true!

I’m not trying to shade you, I’m outright calling you scum and saying I think you need to die today. I’m talking to you to give you an opportunity to show me I’m wrong in the case that you’re town. So far you’re being avoidant and dodging questions which is not doing anything to make me doubt my SR on you

[Noraa]

Holy fuck how many pages did I miss?

[Datisi]

oh why am I missing so many things

firstly the BoP thing, secondly menal doesn't really articulate the point of scum!noraa and just says they're playing in a agenda way

wasn't the point about "menal not articulating about scum!noraa" during the time you were calling him town?

i'm saying the subject that you were pressing on is scummy

I interpreted that as my vote being scummy

you could see it as rolefish but idrt finding out about a neighbourhood is discovering some real amazing PR

the vote itself is like nai

sure, "only" a hood not so much, but (1) there might be other PRs as neighbours and (2) pushing ico kinda feels like feeding into the idea of the hood being t/s

pedits are not being read

[Menalque]

like

im overdefensive of myself + play very bad under pressure

so i think i just triggered that again
yeah you're townpinging because the Voices of my Gut deem you town but im trying to re-evaluate

I don’t remember this but I’ll reread your towngame again

I do think that as scum you’re pretty capable under pressure as seen in the two games where you beat ducky

[Menalque]

Holy fuck how many pages did I miss?

Like 10 or something

Whats your read on shelly?

[Datisi]

shelly i think you missed this too (response to 429 i think)

taylor could be scum with someone of {BM, Noraa} not ruling out TvS just yet

besides whats scum motivation for taylor to step into a tvt shitfight, they can just hang out in the shadows

i mean the scum!motivation for egging on a tvt fight is pretty simple lol, keep the idiots tunneled at eachother

[shellyc]

mental note to reply to that tomorrow

now bye i need sleep

also in the games with ducky, it's quite notable that almost 0 votes were placed on me.

[Menalque]

Okay sleep well, I will be chasing you up for answers next time you’re online