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[UnaBombaH]

Ico is on the greener side still, but I think there are reservations there.

A PR-claim fits this as well, the same way that Testarossas did.
Although I am still wary of the drake.

[UnaBombaH]

Scum have killed two of my more solid townreads so far btw.
A dick move.

[UnaBombaH]

i'm a 1shot jailkeeper

And no result/reportable action?
Silly.

BTW BTW - I really want Iconeum to out an action.
It should've come straight out of the gates with the claim.

We should be hiding nothing in a massclaim - Testarossa is the only exception here that gets forgiven because their role was literally mod-confirmed.

[Gamma Emerald]

If Ico is scum that means town has no mechanical method to put the game on evens, and with a confirmable town that like, horrendous setup design
Iconeum is never scum here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant take the game off of evens but the point still stands, mechanically it is extremely unreasonable to call Iconeum scum

[tris]

there's me. although i townread ico anyway

[tris]

who else was scumreading testa? I know I had her as potential scum, did anyone else?
I'm curious to see what their new reads end up being

Me.

fascinating. do you have anything else to share?

[Gamma Emerald]

oh yeah that's true

[Not_Mafia]

Nope, Chuck Testa

[Testarossa]

This was literally the only way I was going to not push for them today, and I'm glad it turned out like this.

I was sooo waiting for that. Got a little bit salty when Cakez started that fight with you on D2 when I was hoping you would start pushing me and see who would join in as I felt some people were avoiding taking a real stance so far. Was on the verge of just blatantly provoking you if we wouldn't have had that many major wagons already.

who else was scumreading testa? I know I had her as potential scum, did anyone else?
I'm curious to see what their new reads end up being

Felt like Alch was gearing up to it at the beginning of this day too. Which I found a bit late considering I was out for his blood for the whole game. However felt most were on me just null/uncertain (Egix was basically rather carefully scumleaning without any real consequence) besides those who townread me or Una.

[Testarossa]

I am not really sure what to make out of the setup. Before Ico's claim I was in firm belief that most of the town power were rather passive roles like Neighbours, IC and Commuter, so that the Personal Watcher, while not catching the killer, can hard guilty the scum pr (even night Cop as potential distraction). Jailkeeper sticks a bit out, because another active role, although only 1-shot, which softens it down but is also kind of convenient.

If anything because of the Watcher I am 99% certain that the "Goon" is one of the Neighbours, because the Personal modifier would prevent a scenario where the scum Neighbour gets caught redhanded and thus turning the rest of the hood into conftown, which would be quite brutal with IC and Cop.

[Testarossa]

Also leaning on two scum, the town power doesn't seem that strong, although I still think quantitatively it's a bit much for 12p and two scum. If we assume all pr claims are town that would leave overall three VT, which sounds not so much for a normal game? Even if we consider the town Neighbours as VT. Which could imply scum in the hood and in tris/Ico.

[UnaBombaH]

Jailkeeper sticks a bit out, because another active role, although only 1-shot, which softens it down but is also kind of convenient.

We are literally on the same page here.

[UnaBombaH]

Like I think my lynchpool is currently something like N_M/Alch - tris/Ico.
One in N_M/Alch, and 1/2 in tris/Ico.

[Iconeum]

I don't think i should claim my action

Maybe i even still have my shot

[UnaBombaH]

I heavily disagree with this Ico.
The likelihood of you hitting (the right) scum is low anyway.
I also just realized that tris claimed commuter. That's also a bad claim for scum to come up with in this scenario, so I'd argue that the role is genuine.
But the alignment might not be.

[Iconeum]

Commuter is practically always town
Why you wanna lynch in commuter jk claim?

I think sorting the hood is way to go

[UnaBombaH]

Commuter is practically always town

Well, I sort of think that

UnaBombaH was a Mafia Commuter.

..in a very recent game, and..

Why you wanna lynch in commuter jk claim?

Well, I sort of agree with

Jailkeeper sticks a bit out, because another active role, although only 1-shot, which softens it down but is also kind of convenient.

..and finally..

I think sorting the hood is way to go

That time is now past - if we lynch within the hood solely with the aim of "sorting the hood" we are a day late and a dollar short.
One of Alch/N_M could be scum, but you need to evaluate them based on dayplay and push them for such reasons instead looking to just "sort the hood".
That's a scum agenda now, because it gives one more easy mislynch if we are all town after all.

[UnaBombaH]

I feel like scum!Commuter and/or roleblocker would actually make a lot of sense in a setup that now has confirmed IC and a couple of raw investigatives.

I'm not saying that the Roleblocker couldn't be town, I'm just saying that it's def. not obviously town either.
And there's a foundation for my scumread on you in the way you reacted to my earlier material...very sus.

[Gamma Emerald]

I heavily disagree with this Ico.
The likelihood of you hitting (the right) scum is low anyway.
I also just realized that tris claimed commuter. That's also a bad claim for scum to come up with in this scenario, so I'd argue that the role is genuine.
But the alignment might not be.

what would a scum commuter need to commute from?

[Testarossa]

I think scum Commuter doesn't really fit into this game. It weakens the already gated Cop and makes, if two scum, the Watcher rather misleading/useless.

I think the way tris claimed looks pretty fine. While not revealing her modifier she even claimed that she commuted last night, when only half the massclaim was done. So there was a risk that she might have gotten caught by pr interaction. Don't think she is scum fakeclaiming Commuter.

Had a strong townread since the beginning on her anyway, which never really changed.

[Testarossa]

What bothers me about Icoscum is that I feel it would have been smarter to just claim VT. Sure, the jailkeep shot gives him a bit wiggle room, but it would heavily rely on endgaming on D4, because I don't see the plan once tris would have been killed. In contrast he could have just hidden himself in the VT pool, with Gamma, Egix and me, who would have all been more likely to get voted out.

[Egix96]

who else was scumreading testa? I know I had her as potential scum, did anyone else?
I'm curious to see what their new reads end up being

Me.

fascinating. do you have anything else to share?

Okay, so excluding myself and the IC, we have:

{Alchemist, NM, Bomba} - I think it's fair to assume that this neighbourhood is 2t1s, since I agree 2s1t is unlikely due to the daytalk thing and I don't think there's room in this gamestate for the hood to be 3t. I think that Bomba is the towniest in this group, with the scum being a tossup between the other two (aorn I'm like 51% NM 49% Alch, I oughta reread here).

{Ico, tris} - I'm doubting that these two are t/t since having 5 TPRs (not counting neighbours) in a game with only 12 players total seems like overkill to me. I'm leaning towards tris being the s, this is about 75/25.

That leaves Gamma, whose alignment I guess hinges on whether there are two or three scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think scum Commuter doesn't really fit into this game. It weakens the already gated Cop and makes, if two scum, the Watcher rather misleading/useless.

I think the way tris claimed looks pretty fine. While not revealing her modifier she even claimed that she commuted last night, when only half the massclaim was done. So there was a risk that she might have gotten caught by pr interaction. Don't think she is scum fakeclaiming Commuter.

Had a strong townread since the beginning on her anyway, which never really changed.

fuck I managed to forget both SC and datisi flipped PRs
I STILL think Ico's claim is too minute to be a legitimate attempt to fakeclaim a PR as scum. 1 shot JK is super pitiful, scum would go for the full deal, or at least something like odd night to fit datisi's flip
but there's ALSO the fact SC flipped personal, and Ico is like the only remaining visiting role left. Maybe ico is like, gated Rb of some sort?

I think I just made myself very LESS certain of Ico's town status.

[Alchemist21]

Even assuming all the claims are Town, Town still felt underpowered until Testarossa IC’d.

Triss and Ico together has me raising an eyebrow because their roles do similar things in slightly different ways and idk why Town would have both.