Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.034
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	Noraa	EL-6	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Chara	CreativeMod1, I Keep Siteflaking, Nosferatu	EL-4	3	3	4	Chara
Bingle	PenguinPower, JohnnyFarrar, SirCakez, Fun and Games	EL-3	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	Gamma Emerald	EL-6	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	Albert B. Rampage, Bingle	EL-5	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Noraa	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Noraa
JohnnyFarrar	None	EL-7	3	3	3	JohnnyFarrar
Not Voting	Chara
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-14 12:10:00)
Notes: Please note the updated deadline. pagetops: Lilith 24 | penguin 14 | ABR 4 | johnnyf 3 | cm1 2 | gamma 2 | gb 1 | fun & games 2 | nosferatu 2 | bingle 1 | iks 1

[Fun and Games]

but if ur not scum i don't want to vote you
there's too many scummy people to waste on elim on someone who isn't actually scum :/

[Bingle]

i'd have preferred a response wherein you explained the bad penguin vote or you explain how you only have 1.5 townreads at this stage

I only have 1.5 townreads because I can see literally all of the people as scum. It's not a difficult concept. I voted Penguin because of all the people who I think are legitimate options for today, he's the one that I think is the best elimination for the ability to win the game. (

since when is this an accurate description of penguin

) He's not likely to do much of anything while I'm around. (

why? since when is this a thing?

) I'm not likely to do much of anything while he's around. He, just like just about everyone, could very well be scum.

no, he's p clearly out of his scumrange and i think i talked about this at least three times already. handwaving the towniness away as 'well he might just be scum' without having any concrete examples is bad and omgus-y

He's done absolutely nothing town indicative (

wrong

), and dealing with his perpetual tunnels on me is just getting exhausting, tbh. It's not even really his fault, I just don't have enough motivation to deal with it even though I usually enjoy our banter.

Skitter, compare Penguin's play here to this game, and tell me he's outside of his scum range. Because he's tunneled me basically the same amount. In fact, his defining trait in literally every game we've played since Fogport is tunneling me. Me and Penguin both being alive is at best a distraction and at worst a smokescreen for scumPenguin to hide behind.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81863&

You have discussed his scumrange, in vague and uncertain terms, and using references from before that game.

[Bingle]

Oh, and because these kinda fell by the wayside:

nobody can call 55 pages of content null

I never did. I said they were net-null. There are individual towny and scummy things people have done, and I have talked about those things. They just haven't led me to conclusions.

claims don't even matter this game I thought this was established

They do, it hasn't, and it never will be.

[Fun and Games]

a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

[Bingle]

lol get out of here with this flailing

Dude, the major topic of conversation for the previous page was that I townread Nos and somewhat iks. Skitter had towncased iks literally yesterday. And yet you wanted to pivot off of me onto iks because 'no one townreads him' while PP was actively pushing me.

Do you think you should be townread?

I wasn't on you in the first place I was on ABR
Yeah I've done more this game than a good amount of the players

Oh, I'm sorry, were you lying? And what the fuck does "I've done more" have to do with "I deserve a townread"?

i'm kinda disappointed

You're kinda disappointed because you think I should have more townreads? Who should I be townreading here? You? ABR? Pineslot?

Like... I don't have reads because I haven't seen things that really strike me as indicative. This entire PL has been a big ball of null, myself included. The fact that we haven't been able to get a wagon past two or three players other than the wagon on the guy who posted like three times total and then lurk replaced kinda proves my point.

give us something to work with or die

what about i keep siteflaking? nobody townreads him

[SirCakez]

1355 is not "on you"

[Bingle]

a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

[Bingle]

1355 is not "on you"

"Give us content or die."

"I totally wasn't supporting your elimination with that post."

[skitter30]

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

?

[Fun and Games]

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

?

sigh

[PenguinPower]

a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

Except I haven’t legitimately pushed you before. And you just quoted a game where I didn’t tunnel you at all but convinced you re:mechanics that I was town.

[Bingle]

Me and Penguin both being alive is at best a distraction and at worst a smokescreen for scumPenguin to hide behind.

[SirCakez]

1355 is not "on you"

"Give us content or die."

"I totally wasn't supporting your elimination with that post."

I gave you an out

[SirCakez]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

[Nosferatu]

i dont really see the angle for scum!bingle's play here but i don't really care enough to suggest someone better

VOTE: bingle

[Nosferatu]

would rather {gamma, abr, f&g} and maybe even chara

[Bingle]

a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

Except I haven’t legitimately pushed you before. And you just quoted a game where I didn’t tunnel you at all but convinced you re:mechanics that I was town.

Pengy, I love you and I want you in my life but 2 of our most recent games you wanted to vote me in XLO after I was mechanically confirmed town by the flipped tracker and when I had a role that I had claimed that was literally going to kill me before the endgame.

[Bingle]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

[Fun and Games]

The claims are functionally the same but with ABR withi,ding specifics.

No? ABR claimed he's a vig. Ydrasse claimed she can multiattack. Stepping back a moment from the big differences, I don't see why there wouldn't necessarily be two roles like that in the town. Maybe you could argue they're not both scum, but the issue with that is that by the time Noraa is set up to prove her role exists we may well be approaching endgame.

Further, the utility in ABR's role is that he can actually kill a player outright, which is a direct counter to both me and CMod's roles. Noraa is potentially way stronger as a proven role than a vig, because making multiple attacks when her stats are similar to the targets' doesn't particularly make it likely that she'll kill them.

The level of overlap is similar to me and Cmod, where cmod heals someone else and I have a way for others to heal me. There's not really a role disagreement there.

Why would it even make sense for the town to have a vig when the scum can barely nightkill?

[SirCakez]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

Engage me stop asking Skitter to save you

[Fun and Games]

Bingle if you're town I will make it my life's purpose to make sure Penguin dies

Fucking seriously, skitter?

i'm not following what the issue is

~ skitter
(note that i did not write 1419)

[Bingle]

Why would it even make sense for the town to have a vig when the scum can barely nightkill?

You'll note of course that ABR is on the table for today, as far as I'm concerned. His claimed role is also synergistic with the doctor abilities in that the extra doctor attack could be used to imitate his claim in the case that he's lying, and his claimed role is a perfect counter to my own (I'm difficult to kill piecemeal, because I can heal literally every day phase if we want me to.)

The argument for not killing him is that he's been aggressive in a way that's consistent with town him and he could conf himself by killing scum.

[PenguinPower]

a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

Except I haven’t legitimately pushed you before. And you just quoted a game where I didn’t tunnel you at all but convinced you re:mechanics that I was town.

Pengy, I love you and I want you in my life but 2 of our most recent games you wanted to vote me in XLO after I was mechanically confirmed town by the flipped tracker and when I had a role that I had claimed that was literally going to kill me before the endgame.

Real talk: you snowed me in Fogport which I respect and, yes, did harbor some paranoia after for awhile. I’m riffing and joking about that mostly now, and if I’ve been wrong about you recently it’s because I’m not awesome at this game and some people are convincing.

It doesn’t change anything I’ve called out as suspect in this game.

[lilith2013]

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