Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[petapan]

i have actually seen town players make that type of post in a game offsite, except it was a slightly different tenor, where they were concerned about a somewhat close-knit group meta-reading each other as town too easily (and they were right! one of the players in that circle was scum). but that was paranoia, this is actually more...complacency? like, "oh, someone will sort it out". which is maybe not the best approach but is it a guaranteed scumpost? idk

I mean it's one thing to inject that sort of sentiment and go "Hey x, y, z, I think you might be townreading w a little too easily" and then segue into some followup case/questions/interactions/interrogations/summoning servants but here, it just sits on a list of pointing at things going "hey, i might or might not disagree" and/or arguing with you

Hmm. I typed out like 4 or 5 different inclusions to my argument here and didn't really like any of them. It's possible this is a playstyle clash. I'll have to think about it.

Nice chat, peta!

to be clear i'm not even sold on nahdia as town i'm just saying that post wasn't super-scummy to me (although i did townread their last post for incredibly dumb reasons)

[Bell]

I have a bad emotional habit of expressing my real thoughts and then expecting people to interpret them correctly when Mafia has regularly shown me that's the opposite of the case.

You've read it. You don't know what I'm doing, but I explained what I'm doing. So you either don't know whether to believe me or already know.

[Tammy]

Have you guys ever been to a party where people are just talking and having a great time and you can't understand what they're saying or get a word in edgewise so you just smile awkwardly and end up drinking way too much because the only person who will talk to you is the bartender? I've been to lots of parties like that but I'm an alcoholic so I enjoy them tremendously.

I'm sorry you feel this way!

I'd be happy to talk to you or Eliza though. Except right now, sorry, I took more than one night time sleep aid in an attempt to get a full night's sleep tonight.

Do you have any reads you feel super strongly or really conflicted about?

Or more important. What is your favorite drink?

[Tammy]

I have a bad emotional habit of expressing my real thoughts and then expecting people to interpret them correctly when Mafia has regularly shown me that's the opposite of the case.

You've read it. You don't know what I'm doing, but I explained what I'm doing. So you either don't know whether to believe me or already know.

I'll give a better? response to this tomorrow. Sleep is calling. I hope.

I guess a better post I could have made was that I don't understand what you're doing. Anyway tomorrow.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.8

petapan [1] - Tammy
Gamma Emerald [1] - Jake The Wolfie
Bell [1] - Cabd
Jake The Wolfie [1] - DiamondSentinel
Nahdia [2] - Alisae, Syryana
Tayl0r Swift [3] - SirCakez, Gamma Emerald, Bell
petapan [1] - PookyTheMagicalBear
PookyTheMagicalBear [2] - midwaybear, Nahdia
Tammy [1] - petapan

Not Voting [4]

- fferyllt, Something_Smart, The Bulge, Tayl0r Swift

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-16 20:35:31)

[petapan]

I have a bad emotional habit of expressing my real thoughts and then expecting people to interpret them correctly when Mafia has regularly shown me that's the opposite of the case.

You've read it. You don't know what I'm doing, but I explained what I'm doing. So you either don't know whether to believe me or already know.

what i know is that our dance here is about over and my answer to cabd is

VOTE: Bell

[Cabd]

Cabd, want to talk Jake meta?

This won't happen until late tomorrow night or Wednesday afternoon most likely.


Do you think it's particularly urgent? Do you see yourself voting there today or disagreeing with syrs take?

[Bell]

I have a bad emotional habit of expressing my real thoughts and then expecting people to interpret them correctly when Mafia has regularly shown me that's the opposite of the case.

You've read it. You don't know what I'm doing, but I explained what I'm doing. So you either don't know whether to believe me or already know.

what i know is that our dance here is about over and my answer to cabd is

VOTE: Bell

This bothers me. I feel like your whole approach this game is to put the burden of proof on the player to show that they're town and what town looks like is whatever you decide it is.
Which is an incredibly convenient stance to take.

[Bell]

VOTE: Petapan

[petapan]

weren't you just implying you were backing off from me because i defied your impressions?

[Bell]

You just defied them again.

[fferyllt]

Cabd, want to talk Jake meta?

This won't happen until late tomorrow night or Wednesday afternoon most likely.


Do you think it's particularly urgent? Do you see yourself voting there today or disagreeing with syrs take?

I don't see myself voting there. I kinda want to put that read to bed for the time being. We meta in very different ways which is why I want to discuss it with you.

[Bell]

Explain to me again how your approach isn't the logical fallacy: Evidence of absence.

[petapan]

it's not that i'm asking you to prove you're town, it's that i don't find the apparent processes behind anything you're doing to be believable. that includes snap voting me here as an immediate response.

man if you're actually town this game i'm gonna be crushed

[Bell]

What isn't believable about it given it's what I'm doing?

[Bell]

You're not saying what's missing because your stance is one in which something is missing whenever you want it to be.

[petapan]

no like i went over your whole catchup, and our whole argument, and that stuff didn't feel genuine? there was never a moment where i had the feeling of "i can see where you're coming from". and you got all squirrely with your responses like trying to explain was uncomfortable.

was me voting you really enough to completely change your opinion of me again? (i'm not sure wtf you were expecting the outcome there to be)


w/e this is going to fly over the heads of 90% of the players and they're just not going to read this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm sorry you feel this way!

I'd be happy to talk to you or Eliza though. Except right now, sorry, I took more than one night time sleep aid in an attempt to get a full night's sleep tonight.

Do you have any reads you feel super strongly or really conflicted about?

Or more important. What is your favorite drink?

I TR you and would be shocked if you were scum. You're like the cool girl at the dance that everyone seems to be on a first name basis with, you know you're popular but you don't put up any airs. It feels refreshing to talk to you.

My favorite drink hmm.

Probably 10 Yr Talisker. It tastes like being hit by an ocean wave, it's strong and unapologetic, makes me remember happier times when I was younger, dumber and less jaded about life.

[fferyllt]

I'm sorry you feel this way!

I'd be happy to talk to you or Eliza though. Except right now, sorry, I took more than one night time sleep aid in an attempt to get a full night's sleep tonight.

Do you have any reads you feel super strongly or really conflicted about?

Or more important. What is your favorite drink?

I TR you and would be shocked if you were scum. You're like the cool girl at the dance that everyone seems to be on a first name basis with, you know you're popular but you don't put up any airs. It feels refreshing to talk to you.

My favorite drink hmm.

Probably 10 Yr Talisker. It tastes like being hit by an ocean wave, it's strong and unapologetic, makes me remember happier times when I was younger, dumber and less jaded about life.

Have you and Tammy played together before?

Do you have thoughts about petapan vs Bell?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've never played with Tammy.

I haven't read peta/bell

I tend to not read anything that goes over 10 lines this early in the game because I find it to be mostly a waste of time and energy.

[Something_Smart]

How can you assume this

Because when I force reads they come out hot garbage. Speaking from experience.

[fferyllt]

I've never played with Tammy.

I haven't read peta/bell

I tend to not read anything that goes over 10 lines this early in the game because I find it to be mostly a waste of time and energy.

What kinds of content do you like to deal with in the early game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I enjoy interacting with people 1v1 in real time.

I also enjoy comedy and shitposting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Large games feel too wild for me to get a full sense of the room. so I tend to try to focus on a few people at a time that are interesting and fun.

[fferyllt]

It looks like you're picking up some reads along the way!

Iso isn't a very good tool for tracking your trajectories because of the 1v1 content, I think.