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Post Post #3100 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:41 am

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My typo use to be so bad that it inspired another player to make a typo alt. with the name being typo of his main lol
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Post Post #3101 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:06 am

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UNVOTE:

looking through every one of bob's completed games and making a spreadsheet of the word fellow. this is looking damning.
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Post Post #3102 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:08 am

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In post 3101, TheGoldenParadox wrote:UNVOTE:

looking through every one of bob's completed games and making a spreadsheet of the word fellow. this is looking damning.

you mean me using the word fellow 4 times this game ?
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Post Post #3103 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:09 am

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you do realise username is lying through his teeth and has been added in word present in quotes
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Post Post #3104 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:13 am

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oh i absolutely know about that

let me finish looking at all your games though
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Post Post #3105 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:37 am

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In post 3099, Noraa wrote:*sigh* imma have to take a look at this game in a bit

I know IV reread your reads posts, I be interested to hear where your heads at now.
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Post Post #3106 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:37 am

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i looked at 20 games. 16 town, 4 mafia. Here are the results:

bob has used the word "fellow" at least once in every one of his mafia games, and in exactly three of his town games. in one of his mafia games, he used it twice, and in another game, he used it 11 times.

this is... interesting, to say the least. he's used it four times this game.

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large 219mafia1
mini 2092town0
mini 2102town0
mini 2106mafia1
mini 2113town0
mini 2114mafia2
mini 2119town0
mini 2121town0
mini 2122town1
large 223town0
mini 2132town1
mini 2128town1
large 227town0
mini 2146town0
mini 2157town0
large 228town0
mini 2153town0
mini 2148mafia11
mini 2163town0
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Post Post #3107 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:39 am

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In post 3105, Alonzo wrote:
In post 3099, Noraa wrote:*sigh* imma have to take a look at this game in a bit

I know IV reread your reads posts, I be interested to hear where your heads at now.
I don't even know rn
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Post Post #3108 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:40 am

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So why Bob out of nowhere? Especially following a case made by a to SR of yours? @TGP
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Post Post #3109 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:40 am

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Spoiler:
In post 3106, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i looked at 20 games. 16 town, 4 mafia. Here are the results:

bob has used the word "fellow" at least once in every one of his mafia games, and in exactly three of his town games. in one of his mafia games, he used it twice, and in another game, he used it 11 times.

this is... interesting, to say the least. he's used it four times this game.

gamealignment"fellow" usage
mini 2071town0
large 219mafia1
mini 2092town0
mini 2102town0
mini 2106mafia1
mini 2113town0
mini 2114mafia2
mini 2119town0
mini 2121town0
mini 2122town1
large 223town0
mini 2132town1
mini 2128town1
large 227town0
mini 2146town0
mini 2157town0
large 228town0
mini 2153town0
mini 2148mafia11
mini 2163town0


hm this doesn't look that AI imo
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Post Post #3110 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:41 am

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doesn't look like it shows up that much. looks really inconsistent. sample size too small
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Post Post #3111 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:43 am

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In post 3108, Alonzo wrote:So why Bob out of nowhere? Especially following a case made by a to SR of yours? @TGP

because bob is the only one i'm waffling on deciding between putting in the poe pool or not. i think that this is enough evidence before a reread to not give him conftown status.
one second, let me look at game balance again.
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Post Post #3112 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:50 am

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would this setup be balanced

ascetic indecisive doctor neighbor
role watcher neighbor
novice 3-shot vigilante
mailman vanilla cop
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vs

mafia vanilla cop and pt cop (if i understand correctly, the complex modifier gives a distinction between vanilla and non-vanilla roles)
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Post Post #3113 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:53 am

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@ico @datisi really need y'all here rn

would that be balanced or would town need a follower hm


anyways i'm 100% confident alonzo is scum here, but i'm going to keep my vote off right now because night actions
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Post Post #3114 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:59 am

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i'm like, reading along, and trying to make sense of what is happening

the response to would be: i don't think so??? i think the issue there is, you have nice roles of ascetic indecisive doc and 3-shot novice vig. they're gated, but they're still PRs of ~decent strength.

then you have vanillacop/mailman and rolewatcher neighbour, which sound cool, but are like "here's your fun toy, if you manage to get one useful result with it, consider yourself lucky"

like against 3 goons, i could maaaaybe see this setup as being scumsided, but not unpassable. with a scum weird vanilla/TA hybrid flipped, i don't think it's enough?

wdym because of night actions?
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Post Post #3115 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:04 am

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What do we know about gypx?are they renowned for their balanced setups?
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Post Post #3116 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:05 am

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Also you forgot town follower from the above list
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Post Post #3117 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:06 am

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gypyx is a first time mod, and this is their own design, so... there's no mod meta there

pedit: p sure he's talking about "if bob is scum" scenario
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Post Post #3118 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:07 am

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Ok so its scumsided asf basically
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Post Post #3119 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:08 am

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I don't think bob is scum tho.
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Post Post #3120 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:08 am

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In post 3118, Noraa wrote:Ok so its scumsided asf basically
Even if the vig ends the game by day 4 ?
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Post Post #3121 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:10 am

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In post 3119, Noraa wrote:I don't think bob is scum tho.
Tracking/ collating info isn't my strong point, but it looks like no two players have the same two top town and scumreads?
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Post Post #3122 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:11 am

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In post 3119, Noraa wrote:I don't think bob is scum tho.
yeah, this. i've looked at the fellow thing (i even started making my own spreadsheet before tgp made that fancy table and i gave up) and it seems much more like a one-game anomaly then anything actually AI
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Post Post #3123 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:12 am

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Plus you've had a wierd Bob town tunnel forever in this one. @noraa
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Post Post #3124 (ISO) » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:28 am

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Guess what, that's right, boop
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