Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Iconeum]

halp

[Iconeum]

gypyx with the bagepottoms

love it

[Gypyx]

gypyx with the bagepottoms

love it

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[Datisi]

noraa Always shoots in dats/alonzo upon a red flip

if we hit red!username - bob follows one of me/alonzo. he either has a clear on one of us, in which case we exe the non clear and then bob if the game isn't over, or he has a guilty, in which case it's exe the guilty and then bob if the game isn't over.

this strategy becomes impossible if noraa shoots town!me/town!alonzo (obviously me but for argument's sake) because then bob will pretty much have to claim a guilty regardless of his alignment and we have only one execution, so the game turns into a coin flip.

ico
do you understand
why it's

imperative

that noraa holsters tonight upon ANY flip???

[Iconeum]

i do not

[Iconeum]

i already got blocked once - we cannot hope to trust bob to live

if he's not outright scum that is

[Iconeum]

the way i see it, iaaun flips red and we have to sort between you and alonzo for the other partner

noraa can make that job easier

[Iconeum]

in a world where both noraa and bob are town, it's actually better if we agree beforehand who noraa shoots and who bob follows tho

because unless scum are multitasking, i don't think the last scum can both block me and perform a kill on either noraa or bob

[Iconeum]

so yeah, the way i see it, the only one who should have a problem with scum firing in alonzo/datisi is if that outright costs them the game (i might protect noraa, and she can close the deal)

[Datisi]

sigh
ok
bob is a claimed follower.
upon there being only one scum alive, follower goes from "meh" to "literally a fucking cop".

if we execute red!user today, and noraa kills alonzo tonight, there's a possible Nightmare Scenario tomorrow:
- you die by scum kill
- town!alonzo dies by vig
- bob claims a follower guilty on me.
it's 4 people alive, we have a 1v1 (that i'm probably losing), and vig doesn't have any more bullets to salvage it.

if we execute red!user today, and nora holsters:
- you die by scum!kill
- bob either claims a guilty on me/alonzo (and we execute both the claimed guilty and bob) or he claims an inno on me/alonzo (and we execute the non-inno claim and bob)
- literally fucking autowin as long ad tgp/ico/noraa townblocc is correct

we literally don't lose anything, AND we gain an edge in this super specific scenario that i would really love if it didn't happen

[Datisi]

i already got blocked once - we cannot hope to trust bob to live

if he's not outright scum that is

when tf did you get blocked??

and yeah this actually makes it so scum!bob mechanically cannot win if we get his partner today so?

so yeah, the way i see it, the only one who should have a problem with scum firing in alonzo/datisi is if that outright costs them the game (i might protect noraa, and she can close the deal)

you're seeing it wrong.

[Iconeum]

and then you just hope that scum don' have a full roleblocker to stop noraa from killing after i'm dead?

[Iconeum]

when tf did you get blocked??

i protected mena

he got shot

??

[Datisi]

if bob were to get killed tonight, sure the ~follow the follower~ strategy dies, but bob is then removed from the PoE and we still have two executions, so we once again, lose nothing

[Iconeum]

if others can verify what datisi is saying then sure, maybe noraa should holster 1 time

[Datisi]

and then you just hope that scum don' have a full roleblocker to stop noraa from killing after i'm dead?

i think i talked about this in my wall, it's actually really unlikely scum have a full roleblocker in this game, roleblockers are considered insanely strong for scum, and with the vanilla cop / traffic analyst flipped...

also read your role PM again. doctor saves from *one* kill. you can't save mena from both the vig and scum. which is considerably more likely to have happened than you getting blocked and scum kill going ???

[Iconeum]

and then you just hope that scum don' have a full roleblocker to stop noraa from killing after i'm dead?

i think i talked about this in my wall, it's actually really unlikely scum have a full roleblocker in this game, roleblockers are considered insanely strong for scum, and with the vanilla cop / traffic analyst flipped...

also read your role PM again. doctor saves from *one* kill. you can't save mena from both the vig and scum. which is considerably more likely to have happened than you getting blocked and scum kill going ???

my role pm very specifically mentions protection from more then 1 kill

it uses the term 'kills'

[Iconeum]

i shall verify

[Datisi]

if others can verify what datisi is saying then sure, maybe noraa should holster 1 time

ok.

upon red flip, bob (allegedly) turns into a cop.

with the solve being 1 scum in {datisi/alonzo/bob}, bob will guaranteed create a 1v1 tomorrow. either by guiltying someone, of by innoing someone and entering a 1v1 with the other person.

if noraa shoot a town, we have 4 alive tomorrow. no time to kill both people in a 1v1.

if noraa holster, we have 5 alive. enough time to kill both people in 1v1.

[Datisi]

my role pm very specifically mentions protection from more then 1 kill

it uses the term 'kills'

...that's not what the wiki page for the normal version of doctor says...

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

If a player is protected, they become immune to

one

kill performed by normal means. [snip]

If a player is targeted by multiple kills, a single Doctor will not be enough to save them; a number of Doctor protections equal to the number of kills is required.

[Datisi]

well, wouldn't be a normal game if ico and i didn't scream at each other about mechanics...

re username: thing is, i don't see alonzo/bob. i don't see username/bob either. i think bob is town. right now nothing outright ~makes sense~ to me other than username/alonzo. and out of the two, i think you ~in a vacuum~ have better odds of flipping scum. i'm feeling uneasy about your day three and your play towards me today. like, idk how to explain it better. if i'm wrong, i'm sorry, and tomorrow is going to be hell, but gun to head i don't think i am.

[TheGoldenParadox]

There are numerous minor (but nonstandard) variations of the Doctor, e.g. some Doctors can self-target,

some can stop more than one kill in the same Night

, and some variant Doctors will inform the Doctor and/or their target if a protection stops a kill.

These variations are not Normal

, and should typically be mentioned in the player's Role PM so that they do not come to false conclusions about how their role works.

there's no way scum have a full roleblocker in this setup if a townie is not lying through their teeth.

[TheGoldenParadox]

if others can verify what datisi is saying then sure, maybe noraa should holster 1 time

ok.

upon red flip, bob (allegedly) turns into a cop.

with the solve being 1 scum in {datisi/alonzo/bob}, bob will guaranteed create a 1v1 tomorrow. either by guiltying someone, of by innoing someone and entering a 1v1 with the other person.

if noraa shoot a town, we have 4 alive tomorrow. no time to kill both people in a 1v1.

if noraa holster, we have 5

4v1

alive. enough time to kill both people in 1v1.

if one is town, it's 3p lylo where we just instalim the last person

bolded is my own addition
yep, this is correct. noraa needs to holster tonight no matter what.

[Noraa]

God Ico why are you so scummy? Multitasking is the norm for scums. If we get a red flip, I definitely don't holster. scum is in {datisi, alonzo, user}
we kill one today, vig one tonight, kill the other tomorrow and its game over.

[Noraa]

If I holster, scums kill me bc Ico's protect should and will be on Bob.