mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Bell]

Bell, vote DDL.

VOTE: DDL

Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.

[shellyc]

VOTE: DDL

[shellyc]

Bell suffers from bussing syndrome

looking to make this a real wagon

[shellyc]

Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.

dodging responsibility for the elimination, no town motivation, no interest in who is going to be elim'd

[Bell]

I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.

I’ve never seen town ddl.

I do tend to bus, don’t I?

[shellyc]

I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.

Why should I buy your LAMIST

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.

dodging responsibility for the elimination, no town motivation, no interest in who is going to be elim'd

Are you saying you scumread Bell a lot but you’re fine with DDL because Bell voting there is a bussing vote?

[shellyc]

Are you saying you scumread Bell a lot but you’re fine with DDL because Bell voting there is a bussing vote?

yeeeeeeeeah

[Bell]

I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.

Why should I buy your LAMIST

Cause it follows your win condition if you’re town and if it doesn’t, I don’t care.

[Bell]

Was I not bussing S_S.
My bus was derailed.

[shellyc]

Was I not bussing S_S.
My bus was derailed.

im conflicted on the S_S Sr because its rather conditional to town!you but individually i think they're a fine compromise

[mastina]

We already know you're scum

^

VOTE: April Ludgate.

I’m an investigative role.

I've very strong reason, given what I know of the setup, to doubt this claim and believe it to be fake. (Or if not fake, a scum PR. But, very much not a town one.)

norwee is scum this game
i'll do a pbpa or whatever but it boils down to opportunistic wagon hopping and quite possibly the most awkward buddying-distancing combo to gamma i've ever seen

While I am aware that this is incorrect, I feel it worth noting: going into the night, I agreed with GoldenParadox on this mindset and saw the same things as him.

However, during the night, I actually reevaluated my read on Norwegian and came to the conclusion that Norwegian was town.

Sadly, that overnight reevaluation was ultimately rendered null and void by D2's start given the announcement confirming this to everyone.

as above, i dont know what game you're reading

The game where Mena is the N1 scum nightkill because the scum apparently agreed with me and you look like an utter fool for having thought to suggest otherwise.

On that note.

Most people were of the opinion that Morning Mage's twilight posts hard-spewed him as scum.

Thinking on it, I've actually come to the opposite conclusion. Yes, surprise! Shock! I am reevaluating my take on him and now am of the opinion that he's actually locktown.

you think Gamma-scum means BH-town? eh...how so?

Well the fact that if the scum didn't kill Menalque they killed Ban Hydras and Ban Hydras flipped town seems evidence enough of this.

(Honestly either kill could've been a scum kill. Menalque is the one I feel is more likely the scumkill because Mena was a near-universal townread who is a strong town player that's logical, reasonable, and fairly charismatic, but I do admit that, while less likely, the scum

could

have shot Ban Hydras as a player that was still seen as town, who could have those same properties. It's like 75% likely to be scum killed Menalque, something else killed Ban Hydras.)

I think probably no more than one in (April, MM)

Comparing the two twilights, no contest here: April.

Tsylor is still a high equity scumslot for the soft defence of gamma and then getting salty when called on it

This I agree with.

Super Bowl is annoying but town
Nero is town, mastina is town, Titus is town
A50 town, norwee town
Shelly probably town for the CW

These I also agree with by the way.

Plus and ddl are both straddling the line of bait and scum

Plus is another slot I have reason to believe is town, now, by the way.

Chemist is maybe town? Actually yeah, chemist town

By play, I'd agree, but by new POE, Misty might be necessarily inherently scum via the "SOMEBODY needs to be scum" principle.

Okay, the PoE for tomorrow is (MM, plus, ddl, taylor, bell, pickaxe pete)
In the (frighteningly slim) number of worlds where MM isn’t scum, april goes into the pool

Given MM and Plus town, that leaves {April, DDL, Tayl0r, Bell, Pickaxe Pete} from Menalque's list.

Do I think that those five contain the remaining four scum?

Not all four, but at least 2-3 of the four, absolutely.

I still feel Pickaxe Pete is town of a similar strength to GoldenParadox, and April's lockscum with Tayl0r a strong scum candidate, leaving 0-2 scum in {Bell, DDL}, and for Bell, I'm also applying the same ruling as I am to Misty: townreading Bell's content, but by POE, might be scum because someone needs to be. DDL by POE is also a great scum candidate.

Actually, looking at that, I think if plus!scum probably only 1 in (ddl, tsylor)

But with Plus as town, quite probable that both are scum.

I personally think Morning Mage is bleeding town.

I personally think that April specifically taking this stance locks April as scum.

So, my readslist coming into D2 is thus:

Titus
Nero Cain
Almost50
superbowl9
Morning Mage
NorwegianboyEE
PlusJOYED
Vecna
jjh927
samantha97slot
EchoVisionslot-if-April's-scum

TheGoldenParadox (almost a locktown candidate, but not quite)
Pickaxe Pete
EchoVision-if-April's-not-scum

Bell
DiamondSentinel
Christøpher/Chemist

DrDolittle

Tayl0r Swift

April Ludgate

That is to say.

April's scum here for sure (thus my vote).
Tayl0r's like 90+% scum here.

There's two scum likely in {DDL, Misty, DiamondSentinel, Bell}.
I've had townreads on the latter three, but by necessity one of these townreads must be wrong, two if DDL's town.

Starting my D2 read now.

[shellyc]

I've very strong reason, given what I know of the setup, to doubt this claim and believe it to be fake. (Or if not fake, a scum PR. But, very much not a town one.)

hmmmmmm

reading through that wall: mastina you're my soulmate

[mastina]

something_smart replaces echovision
mathblade replaces vecna

For the sake of clarity.

That makes my readslist right now be:
Titus
Nero Cain
Almost50
superbowl9
Morning Mage
NorwegianboyEE
PlusJOYED
Vecna/Mathblade
jjh927
samantha97/shellyc
EchoVision/Something_Smart-if-April's-scum

TheGoldenParadox (almost a locktown candidate, but not quite)
Pickaxe Pete
EchoVision/Something_Smart-if-April's-not-scum

Bell
DiamondSentinel
Christøpher/Misty

DrDolittle

Tayl0r Swift

April Ludgate

Locktown strong town poe-this-area-does-have-scum leanscum scumread lockscum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

However, during the night, I actually reevaluated my read on Norwegian and came to the conclusion that Norwegian was town.

[shellyc]

well except the taylor part

talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum

[mastina]

nice

Public cop and 2 kills. Hmm... Spooky.

You two aren't helping the case for you being poe scum by the way since both of your openings are the sort that scum would do.

how do you guys feel on the shellyc slot

They've been a conftown read of mine the majority of the game and nothing has transpired to make me think otherwise; to the contrary, everything reinforces and reaffirms that read.

[shellyc]

They've been a conftown read of mine the majority of the game and nothing has transpired to make me think otherwise; to the contrary, everything reinforces and reaffirms that read.

i got cleared by plus, apparently the Odd-Night Disloyal Cop-Inventor

[shellyc]

You two aren't helping the case for you being poe scum by the way since both of your openings are the sort that scum would do.

+1

mastina is my new favourite player

[mastina]

Town	Titus Plusjoyed Diamond Sentinel Nero Cain shellyc A50 Ban Hydras mastina Menalque
Above Null	NorweiganboyEE The Golden Paradox superbowl9 Bell
Null	DrDolittle EchoVision Vecna jjh927
Lean Scum	Chemist1422 April Ludgate Morning Mage Pickaxe Pete
Scum	Tayl0r Swift

Here are the results of my VCA last night. My notes will have to wait until I get home and have computer access.

I did a writeup on most slots overnight.

Basically, from play, I'd agree on Bell and put him in a similar spot as Misty and DiamondSentinel--but from POE, these three are just not in the same degree as towniness as the others.
I probably agree with you that of them, DiamondSentinel is the most town, though, and will trust you there--so there's going to be 1-2 scum in {Bell, Misty} due to April + Tayl0r + DDL requiring one scum, two if any of April/Tayl0r/DDL are town.

Pickaxe Pete is in the same tier to me as TheGoldenParadox, because if you do an iso of the two, they are more or less similar to each other in a lot of ways. I wrote this in a PT about him:

Spoiler: What I wrote

Pickaxe Pete town indicators:
Early Morning Mage scumread;
Early good take of Nero-Vecna being town-town;
Early nuanced thought process that's difficult to fake on the Norwegian slot, with elaboration here;
The distaste at being townread (btw Echo also had this);
Good nuance to this thought process;
Early Gamma voter in a way that doesn't look like a bus;
I liked his take on Norwegian and agreed with it at the time (even if, as per above, I now think Norwegianboy's town);
Comes around to Norwegian being town in a fluid dynamic way hard to fake;
Later in Pickaxe Pete's iso, there's a bunch of asking for the Gamma defenders to justify themselves, which I also like.

Overall the slot might not have a quantity of posting but by far has one of THE highest quality posting ratios in the game. The good content:not good content ratio is through the roof in favor of good content.

(Btw as I did this for a lot of players, I can also give it on slots like Norwegian, because I did write up thoughts on them. Funnily enough, when I wrote the part on Norwegian, I went in thinking I was going to be making a scumcase on him but realized I was doing the opposite because his iso hard-spewed him as town. )

And as I mentioned, I actually feel like Morning Mage is town now, so that part I disagree with.

But by and large, our reads have huge overlap, in that we agree with every townread (minus Diamond, who due to being the towniest of my poe pile I am willing to sheep you on); we agree on all the Above Null (minus Bell, who I'd have there if not for poe requiring five names as scum); your null/lean scum/scum sections would match mine if moving Vecna, jjh, EchoVisionslot, Morning Mage, and Pickaxe Pete up.

[mastina]

I am leaning towards not multiball just the wagons don’t make sense.

For the record, to weigh in:
I am pretty sure this wouldn't be the first MBOS game to feature a scum doublekill mechanic, so it's possible scum killed

both

Menalque and Ban Hydras.

If scum did not kill both Menalque and Ban Hydras, then it'd necessarily need to be either a town role misfiring (where some effect of their role accidentally killed them), or a town vig who took a bad shot.

I do not believe the game to be multiball; I don't even think the game has a serial killer.

The two kills are either both from scum, or one from scum and the other from town. (And if the latter, again, 75-25 it being Mena as the scum kill, but with the admitted possibility of it having been Ban Hydras. We'll presumably not find out for quite some time.)

[mastina]

Titus i take it Taylor Swift is your preferred elimination today?

An acceptable alternative to April, but the elimination should 100% be one of the two and while Tayl0r's play does strongly indicate scum, my preference is April who is a walking talking scumclaim.

[mastina]

I think given the flip if you’re going off pure VCa only Mastina can’t be lock town (even though I do townread her) because of nothing gamma’s slip and not voting him.

Gamma Emerald (12):

Ban Hydras, Pickaxe Pete, Titus, superbowl9, NorwegianboyEE,

mastina

, Nero Cain, Menalque, PlusJOYED, Chemist1422, TheGoldenParadox, DiamondSentinel

I detected motion from Titus

VOTE: April Ludgate

[mastina]

guess i was wrong
inverse dolittle reads or smth

So like.

Looks an awful lot like it is indeed.

April, Tayl0r, DDL, and then one but not both of {Bell, Misty}.

Bell, Misty, whichever of you is town, you can earn boatloads of towncred by voting/bussing April.

[shellyc]

talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum

why is morning town

swap morning -> taylor and that's my solve