Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Morning Tweet]

Right.. so basically just need to review Krazy at this point. Would say that Puppy voting for Krazy/Suji was a ballsy move when I do not think there was anyone around to defend the slot at the time. That elim coulda gone through easily. But maybe that's what scum needed, something gambity

For the record, I've been mostly clearing Krazy off his emotional reaction to Tanners suspicion. It's just something I dont expect to see from scum often. Do I have more than those two points?

There is also the part where Prism pointed out redteas extremely odd scum meta, which they did not play to this game.

I find it kinda weird though. Does scum not believe I'm confirmed town? I can think of only one person here who has expressed a lot of distrust in me. It's not Pooky. Pooky, wouldn't you have cleared me..? Of course Ali/Prism should have been cleared too. So maybe it's just a huge wifom play.

pedit: hia ali

this is kinda a weird post.

elaborate

[Krazy]

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.5
Hectic-------------------------- (3) Tayl0r Swift, catboi, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (3) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8, Morning Tweet
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism -------------------------- (1) Lavender
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1) Hectic
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Tanner
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (1) PookyTheMagicalBear

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 1.6
Hectic-------------------------- (2) Tayl0r Swift, Prism
beeboy----------------------- (2) CantLynchAPuppy, Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (1) Krazy
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (3) Hectic, catboi, Tanner
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) beeboy
Not Fighting: - (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender

This is a really interesting progression. beeboy decides that where there's a wagon with the chara, one town, and one unknown, he pushes back on the chara bussing him?

There's one view that he anticipates he's going down and decides to start going anti-informational by not spewing other slots, but that seems odd to me. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to try to survive with a counter-wagon, if simply to continue playing the game? By pushing on the chara he basically is hoping his wagon goes nowhere. Given how weird scum played this game, I think we do have to consider an early double bus for theater, which would somewhat fit if we also consider:

SPARE VOTECOUNT 1.2
Hectic-------------------------- (1) beeboy
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Nachomamma8, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) Morning Tweet
Not sparing: - (7) Hectic, Prism, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner, CantLynchAPuppy

SPARE VOTECOUNT 1.3
Hectic--------------------------
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Nachomamma8, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, beeboy
catboi--------------------------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (2) Morning Tweet, CantLynchAPuppy
Not sparing: - (6) Hectic, Prism, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner
58 "Launchy" isn't a player or unique abbreviation of one.

Now, in a world of town!Tweet, this would fit with Puppy just trying to pocket/warlock Tweet. But that wouldn't really fit the general scum strategy we've seen this game of obfuscating conventional tactics. Instead it seems less like Puppy is trying to build his early game around a Tweet pocket and more like Tweet and Puppy are trying to interact (at least in terms of VCA, not really going into posts quite yet).

Unfortunately this argument could also work for Pooky:
SPARE VOTECOUNT 1.5
Hectic--------------------------
beeboy-----------------------
Nachomamma8--------------------------- (2) Nachomamma8, catboi
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear ------- (2) PookyTheMagicalBear, beeboy
catboi-------------------------- (1) Hectic, Morning Tweet
Morning Tweet---------------- (1) Tayl0r Swift
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy --------------------------
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) CantLynchAPuppy
Not sparing: - (4) Prism, Lavender, Krazy, Tanner


since here beeboy is building on the Pooky spare wagon, the difference being that beeboy doesn't really mirror fights the way tweet would

[Morning Tweet]

Hectic called Morning Locktown
he doesn't usually call people locktown unless he has a good reason to call people locktown
so I'm trusting it

why? I kinda think Batgirl is probably the most likely deepwolf at this point, although I need to review my notes to see if I really gave Pooky a pass too easily

Hectic has an extremely good record of reading me ever since my first scum game against him. He can tell the difference now perfectly -- it's not terribly difficult if you've played with me for a while. I loathe playing scum!

[Krazy]

They played so fucking badly if they're town

looking at vca, actually, I'm not sure your slot has voted scum this entire game

I'm not sure my slot has either but I mean, I just think your tone here is kinda rich.

[Morning Tweet]

Really though if Tweet is scum she probably just wins since her avi is too adorable to scumread

If you're town, prolly give scum!Morning the win and move on imo, this is an impossible performance from scum me. I am so terrible

HURT: Isis

fiiiiine I will actually review Redtea/Suji/Krazy b4 revoting

[Morning Tweet]

By performance I guess I just mean the rate of my posts and how easily i can create content. Nothing special, but for scum!me it would be

[Krazy]

Hectic has an extremely good record of reading me ever since my first scum game against him. He can tell the difference now perfectly -- it's not terribly difficult if you've played with me for a while. I loathe playing scum!

yeah me too. But I get very cautious when someone thinks someone can read them perfectly, and the person being read agrees with that lol

Hectic does have above rand reads but I've hydra'd with him and I know that as his engagement fades his readrate goes down and honestly he was fading toward the later half of this game. I also think early game towntells are just generally bullshit

That being said, do you think pooky is scum?

[Krazy]

Does scum not believe I'm confirmed town?

I mostly am wondering where this comes from.

[Morning Tweet]

Does scum not believe I'm confirmed town?

I mostly am wondering where this comes from.

Oh that was me shading you

Pooky buys Hectic's read clearing me, you don't. Therefore I'd expect Pooky to use a confirm on me, while I'd expect you not to.

Your reaction to Ali and selfmeta about hating scum makes me want to switch to Pooky. Damned emotions :(

[Krazy]

beeboy----------------------- (7) Nachomamma8, Hectic, CantLynchAPuppy, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, catboi, Prism

actually maybe this explains the Tanner inno? It positions me as the only off-wagon player in the game and means that if I get fought today then town has to deal with the reality that scum double bussed day 1 in f4

still confused how that is more valuable to scum than my tunnel on tanner but idk

[Krazy]

Oh that was me shading you

Pooky buys Hectic's read clearing me, you don't. Therefore I'd expect Pooky to use a confirm on me, while I'd expect you not to.

Your reaction to Ali and selfmeta about hating scum makes me want to switch to Pooky. Damned emotions

ah okay, I get that a little more then

but do you think that pooky would evaluate the game as seeing you as more clear than alisae?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im actually terrified that you didn't get confirmed but I have to believe in Hectic after I've wronged the poor man so many times

Tanner help!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i worship the ground Hectic walks on, Tweet is top 2 in my book with Tanner

[Krazy]

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.2
Hectic--------------------------
Nachomamma8---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy-------------------------- (3) Morning Tweet, Nachomamma8, Hectic
Tanner -------------------------
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) Tanner
Not Fighting: - (6) Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, Krazy, CantLynchAPuppy

FIGHT VOTECOUNT 2.3
Hectic--------------------------
Nachomamma8---------------------------
Prism --------------------------
PookyTheMagicalBear -------
Morning Tweet----------------
Tayl0r Swift -------------------
Lavender ----------------------
Krazy-------------------------- (4) Morning Tweet, Nachomamma8, Hectic, CantLynchAPuppy
Tanner ------------------------- (1) Krazy
CantLynchAPuppy------------- (1) Tanner
Not Fighting: - (4) Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender

For me this is still an interesting wagon. First of all, I kinda don't get why Alisae thinks CLAP busses by becoming the fourth vote on a wagon where he loses if it goes through. That being said Alisae is probably still down, but here I guess the question is is CLAP joining his buddy's wagon (Tweet) or is the second scum just hanging out waiting for it to develop even more and letting the chara get on first so they can be ideally off-wagon if it goes through? Scum would love for an all-town+chara wagon to fuck with VCA probably, so this could maybe be a point for town-tweet/scum-pooky world

[Krazy]

Tayl0r Swift ------------------- (6) Tanner, Prism, Hectic, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, Lavender,

Actually thinking of this, Pooky might make more sense given that CLAP's weird theater at the end of the day I think still implies his buddy was already on the wagon, and I don't think Tweet voted before those posts

[Krazy]

Like Alisae I think if you look at VC if you think I'm scum then like... almost a simple majority of misfights were all town-wagons. Which is, uh, a stretch I wanna say

and you're bitching about my play when I was one of the only ones who had a good read of TSwift

[Morning Tweet]

tayl0rrrrrrrrrr im sorryyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Krazy]

but yeah, between the catboi kill, which was one of the only slots hard defending me, and the tanner clear, which seems to serve no purpose other than getting me fought today, I want to say basically every visible scum night action has either been to make my slot lynchable

Clap joins a three-deep wagon on me day 2 with the other scum already dead

like, I'm just town. I'm not actually sure who the last scum is, but I feel like if you think about what scum is trying to do this game you will realize that me getting fought is basically their top priority at this point since it's definitely necessary to them winning the game

[Alisae]

Like Alisae I think if you look at VC if you think I'm scum then like... almost a simple majority of misfights were all town-wagons. Which is, uh, a stretch I wanna say

and you're bitching about my play when I was one of the only ones who had a good read of TSwift

"Wow, I got 1 townread read correct look at me I am a GOD"

[Alisae]

Krazy why don't you have 800 posts?

[Alisae]

Check it
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Sherlock and Watson AKA Krazy has 1k posts and is tieing with me

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Scum Krazy with less then 400 posts.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Kirari
300-400 posts which is a lot for a 9 player game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
165 posts which is very low compared to what everyone else was doing d1.

[Alisae]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... overview=1
Chito has 55 posts, is krazy, and is scum

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Team RWBY, 4 player hydra, contained krazy, top posted with 555 posts, is town

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Krazy's Anime uPick, 135 posts, is

scum

the moderator

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Was in the Avengers hydra and was scum had 160 something posts

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Had 550 posts in this game and was town

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
2nd highest poster and was town

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Chito (Krazy) was a major town leader in this game and high posted
Scum!Krazy probably has less then 200 posts in this game

[Alisae]

Why aren't you high posting?
its a serious question

[Alisae]

Oh yeah there was also another hydra game that I didn't link where I caught Krazy D1.
Look if that isn't enough for you then idunno what is

What happened to the Krazy who was havin a good time cuz he randed town and tried to outpost me as scum and did because he was just so fucking happy that he rolled town, cuz let me tell you, I don't know where the fuck that Krazy is, but he certainly ain't here.

[Alisae]

Really though if Tweet is scum she probably just wins since her avi is too adorable to scumread

If you're town, prolly give scum!Morning the win and move on imo, this is an impossible performance from scum me. I am so terrible

HURT: Isis

fiiiiine I will actually review Redtea/Suji/Krazy b4 revoting

Look.
Unless you convince yourself to scumread me, it doesn't really matter tbh. Pooky and Krazy are still gonna die regardless.
The order really couldn't matter.