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i'm SORRY superbowl but when the 3ps talk about town wincon like it's DIFFERENT from their wincons MAYBE it's a little hard to believe
this information disparity among players with apparently the same wincon is really really frustrating to me, and i have no idea who to believe. i would have sheeped mastina but now she's a third party apparently and i have a lot of distrust in this game for people who have that much information.
i'm disappointed in this setup. i have no idea who to vote for and who to believe, and the entire third party thing has so many lies and poor clarification and withholding of information in it that it's disappointing to me.
i'll stay on april because i want to trust you. if april flips town, i will be a thousand times more suspicious of both 3p groups.- superbowl9
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This is not about trust.In post 4325, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i'm SORRY superbowl but when the 3ps talk about town wincon like it's DIFFERENT from their wincons MAYBE it's a little hard to believe
this information disparity among players with apparently the same wincon is really really frustrating to me, and i have no idea who to believe. i would have sheeped mastina but now she's a third party apparently and i have a lot of distrust in this game for people who have that much information.
i'm disappointed in this setup. i have no idea who to vote for and who to believe, and the entire third party thing has so many lies and poor clarification and withholding of information in it that it's disappointing to me.
i'll stay on april because i want to trust you. if april flips town, i will be a thousand times more suspicious of both 3p groups.
This is not about who you believe.
THIS IS ABOUT USING YOUR EYES. WHY WOULD YOU ASK WHAT OUR WINCON IS WHEN THIS INFO HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR 600000 TIMES???
HOW ARE YOU STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE FACTIONS?? LITERALLY READDDDDD THEEEEE THREADDDDDDD- superbowl9
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ok sure but that still doesn't mean we aren't helping the town. Meanwhile, all you've done is fuss about us and not hunt for the kings army.
Now Titus and I disagree here. She thinks you're just sorta clueless (my words not hers) and sure it's possible that you are just so fixated on this minor detail that you are incapable of moving forward and contributing in a positive manner while I'm a little more cautious and think you could just be using the whole "OMG U GUYS WE HAS CLAIMED 3P HERE!" as an excuse for not hunting Kings army...b/c you are kings army and you can't hunt your own faction.
Yes, you've claimed that you have hunted but you won't say who they are or even try to lead a lynch there b/c Mastina or some petty bullshit.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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It's scummy either way.In post 4319, MathBlade wrote:
@Titus I don’t get it. Explain it like I am 5. It looks like you’re starting from April scum and assuming April is scum then these posts are bad versus using thought.In post 4315, Titus wrote:In post 3956, Chemist1422 wrote:VOTE: April
from a quick open of their ISO and ctrl+F of gamma i am now convincedIn post 3957, Chemist1422 wrote:In post 2060, April Ludgate wrote:
I don’t need to find out, I have a soul read.In post 2057, Menalque wrote:
Only one way to find out!In post 2054, April Ludgate wrote:Gamma’s townIn post 2485, April Ludgate wrote:
This is true.In post 2479, Nero Cain wrote:
boon/april has in the past very much hard defended his buddies.In post 2455, Morning Mage wrote:also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.
I’ve also been on record unable to read Gamma correctly well over he past year despite my old soul reads
thisIn post 2580, April Ludgate wrote:Well, I’m town who just unfortunately defended the person who’s been yelling at me for “incorrectly reading them”.
This is just another incorrect read for me on Gamma.In post 4148, Chemist1422 wrote:
oh i missed a wordIn post 4127, Titus wrote:
That's not what he said though.In post 4124, Chemist1422 wrote:like
I don't think "they are doing the same thing I am, therefore, they are scum for this reason" is ever a thought from a townie
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Why Chemist is scum to meIn post 4152, Chemist1422 wrote:april i mostly have you as scum because you claimed to have a soulread on gamma being town
gamma was not town
what exactly gave you that read on gamma?
Chemist placed a suspicious, overexplaining good case vote on April as the wagon gets steam. He unvotes based on a stupid misread allegedly and then gives April a softball question rather than one to sort her.
That's not a town transition.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That wasn't a blowup. The issue with the mod directly commenting about a live slot was a blowup and rightly so. But my hammer was not a blowup.In post 4303, Titus wrote:
There are just too many tantrums in this game.In post 4274, Nero Cain wrote:FL getting mad and throwing a fit kinda seems like something I've seen FL do b4 but my biggest hangup is that I was asking him to scumhunt and he more or less refused to do that.
First DS has his relatively minor blowup about not being able to counter Gamma.
Then Math has his tantrum.
Then April hers.
Can we stop throwing a fit and actually play the game?“Why was I chosen?'
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Cool. Nice summary of the thread. Did you expect restating the same thing over to give a different response?In post 4328, Nero Cain wrote:ok sure but that still doesn't mean we aren't helping the town. Meanwhile, all you've done is fuss about us and not hunt for the kings army.
Now Titus and I disagree here. She thinks you're just sorta clueless (my words not hers) and sure it's possible that you are just so fixated on this minor detail that you are incapable of moving forward and contributing in a positive manner while I'm a little more cautious and think you could just be using the whole "OMG U GUYS WE HAS CLAIMED 3P HERE!" as an excuse for not hunting Kings army...b/c you are kings army and you can't hunt your own faction.
Yes, you've claimed that you have hunted but you won't say who they are or even try to lead a lynch there b/c Mastina or some petty bullshit.
Assume I am scum for a moment. You know my scum game. Find me a scum game where I didn’t fake hunt. I will wait. I am not scum but you seem fixated on that because I don’t agree and am not catering to you I am scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Ignore this in context to the game, but have I noted how scary it is how much you think you have me nailed down despite me not having played in almost 3 years?In post 4308, Titus wrote:
I don't think DS is scum. I know you and mastina favor it but I don't think scum!DS is that vocal that early against a scum lynch.In post 4305, Nero Cain wrote:naw, this game is frustrating for scum.
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Math I don't think he's scum but don't care bc scumsiding.
April is probably scum.“Why was I chosen?'
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Also Titus, I had a readlist about your questions from yesterday. Thoughts?“Why was I chosen?'
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@Titus.
Those are filled with adjectives showing your bias.
You need to actually explain.
You’re starting from Chemist has to be scum here’s why.
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You haven't changed much, so I see no reason not to judge you the same way.In post 4332, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Ignore this in context to the game, but have I noted how scary it is how much you think you have me nailed down despite me not having played in almost 3 years?In post 4308, Titus wrote:
I don't think DS is scum. I know you and mastina favor it but I don't think scum!DS is that vocal that early against a scum lynch.In post 4305, Nero Cain wrote:naw, this game is frustrating for scum.
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April is probably scum.
Also, can you link me to your question? If it's simple, I will answer it and hit the road. Otherwise, I'll answer tomorrow.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I am explaining a scumread. Of course I am going to start from the position they're scum when asked to explain.In post 4334, MathBlade wrote:@Titus.
Those are filled with adjectives showing your bias.
You need to actually explain.
You’re starting from Chemist has to be scum here’s why.
You sound like a boxed in scum.
Do you TR Chemist? If so, why? ELI5.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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This summarizes how I feel about the day. Maybe this will help and not derail the Mastina/Nero/Titus Hunt.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 4205, DiamondSentinel wrote:@Titus
As promised, here's my analysis on Chemist, Pickaxe, and S_S. I was going to do a full ISO for them but then I got bored midway through Chemist's.
Chemist - Christoph was awful and scummy, so there's that. Chemist's start was weak, but got a bit better as time went on. However, I do not like how flippant they are now.
Pickaxe - Jumped on Gamma early. Points for them. Unfortunately not much else for them. Not a lot of content and a lot of piggybacking.
S_S - Echo.... Echo echo echo. Everything about Echo was awful. They were my number 2 scumread yesterday. S_S has not remedied that at all. Constantly trying to so confusion/doubt about stuff, low effort quips back at people, etc. etc.
As for them as a scum team.... I'm not sure. There's a lot of distancing there interspersed with some seemingly random votes. It looks like low effort bussing to try and remove association. But I generally try to avoid picking relationships between living players because those are very difficult and can also shift behavior.
You asked for my reads on Chemist, Pickaxe, and S_S. I also gave them on the other 4.In post 4211, DiamondSentinel wrote:Because I'm such a nice guy, I'll even give some more reads for free.
MathBlade - I'm not entirely sold on them not being scum. Vecna was not the best player, and while I recognize that this is just how MathBlade plays, I still don't care much for it. It's like how me being VI is not AI. I suspect this playstyle isn't either.
April - Floundering, flailing, call it what you want, today's reaction to this wagon isawful. Eww eww eww. Still, might just be bad town. You guys have speculation as to who they're an alt for, right? Who is that?
DDL - Yikes. This is a nasty slot. Honestly, I find April+DDL to be a stronger scum team than the above 3. No fun to be had here.
MM - Ima be real. I think this is another VI slot without the self-awareness of being a VI slot. I don't think this behavior is scummy, but at the same time, they shouldn't touch any X or Lose situation.“Why was I chosen?'
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still feel like DS getting angry and saying that I was annoying him b/c I (and earlier a50) felt like there was a good chance scum were on the tail end of the Gamma wagon.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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No. I don’t have a read on Chemist.In post 4336, Titus wrote:
I am explaining a scumread. Of course I am going to start from the position they're scum when asked to explain.In post 4334, MathBlade wrote:@Titus.
Those are filled with adjectives showing your bias.
You need to actually explain.
You’re starting from Chemist has to be scum here’s why.
You sound like a boxed in scum.
Do you TR Chemist? If so, why? ELI5.
A good majority of the game are lurkers. I have a lot of conditionals based on April’s flip here.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Ok. I'll give some quick nuggets DS.
I agree on Chemist.
Your observations of Pickaxe Pete are correct. I draw the conclusion that Pickaxe Pete was bussing. Ymmv.
SS I am less certain of being scum based on how they played the shellyc situation.
Mathblade - I agree.
April is Boonskiies or was.
DDL feels particularly town. Different from my last game where we were partners. Manatee's mafia. Large normal. It could be just that I am protown though so.
MM- I agree but I don't think we go jettisoning VI just because VI. We need all the town we can get. Occasionally VIs are right. If he's not being annoying, he can stick around.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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VOTE: aprilOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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wich one am I?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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oh makes sense. titus is the one in the hat and mastina is the ghost looking blob thing.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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(Joking tone) Are you insulting the talented Superbowl9’s art skills? Scumfirm I tell you! ( this is a joke)In post 4347, Nero Cain wrote:oh makes sense. titus is the one in the hat and mastina is the ghost looking blob thing.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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thank you for the visual: i understood, but it made it more clear. your wincon is 100% town, while they have two wincons that they can pursue, one town-aligned, one self-aligned.
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