Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are midwaybear and cakez trying to out-scummy each other or something

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its too bad we only have 1 rope

[Tammy]

Not being super involved wasn’t concerning me.

what was it that was concerning you

Most of the posts they made did not sound town.

Like look at their response to bulge for instance, and the smarmy way they found a way to get on the bulge wagon after thinking he was town. That was gross.

(The post where they hadn’t read eod 1 sounded genuine, and the indignation at DS sounded genuine but that’s not alignment indicative, it’s easy to get indignant at a lie no matter you’re alignment.)

I actually related to Nahdia's bulge vote a lot. It reminded me of a moment I had as a villager in another game

You get passed off when people ask you questions?

I mean I'm not 100% the same but it was similar in that I townread a slot for a very long time and then they said something very weird when they were at L-1 and I killed them and then they flipped villager.
It technically happens.

But bulge didn’t say Anyang weird? Nahdia was supposedly town reading bulge, and the bulge wagon pops up and their only response is “not interested”. No attempt to stop the wagon from happening or to try to figure out if it’s svum being pushed, just shrug yeah you’re wagoning town but I’m not interested.

My response in the chat was if nahdia is town here my mind is absolutely blown.

So when bulge was like what are you doing here. Hell yeah that made a shit ton of sense. So their response was skeevy. Even if town.

Maybe they just have a scummy playstyle?

[petapan]

Why wasn’t this level of thought given to bulge?

i don't know. i was confirmation biased and locked in. i got scared several times by the stuff he said but i didn't have an option i liked better, and i kept reminding myself of the stuff he said that i didn't like. it's my fault for not trying harder to read him.

[Alisae]

i understood that reference!

btw for anyone planning on another reread, i highly recommend Northsidegal's highlight script: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... al/Scripts

I need to install that holy shit 1 second

[Tammy]

Why wasn’t this level of thought given to bulge?

i don't know. i was confirmation biased and locked in. i got scared several times by the stuff he said but i didn't have an option i liked better, and i kept reminding myself of the stuff he said that i didn't like. it's my fault for not trying harder to read him.

I’m sorry I didn’t mean to make you feel bad. I’m just feeling frustrated because it’s a read I said I was feeling biasy on but also think is probably wrong, but getting it poked at is also making me feel like digging my heels in at the same time it feels wrong. It’s like a tug of war in my brain.

[petapan]

no its okay, i don't feel bad (about having to ansswer it. i feel bad about the vote but that's how it goes these days), it's a valid question to ask, all good. i don't mind fielding questions to try to set things straight.

[Tammy]

I’m not the greatest at balance, but how strong of a role is a scum suicide bomber meant to be?

It’s an extra kill which is awesome but it comes at the expense of their own life so seems like a 1 for 1 trade.

I know we can’t know what other roles they have for strength, but would that suggest we’re looking for more than two left in some fashion?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if it's 3 scum, we mislynch today, they shoot me/alisae and its game over

so im going to say its probly 2 scum left.

[Alisae]

Suicide Bombers are actually a very effective way of dealing with conftown but I feel like its a role that you don't give to scum as their only PR. On MU it was generally used in a lot of mashes but those are just a whole seperate beast compared to FakeGod games.

Its actually really weird to actually see a Suicide Bomber on MS.

[Alisae]

Yes.

Have we gotten mod confirmation that there are 3 scum+traitor? Because with the amount of town PRs (plus the suicide bomber as a mafia, although they might be the weakest), we might be dealing with 4 mafia+traitor. Which puts us at 6/3 right now, making tomorrow LyLo.

Food for thought.

wait what

[Alisae]

Pooky do you also just read 4077 and get really weirded out by it?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he has to be trolling scum. none of his words make any sense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

balance wise you can't do 4 scum + traitor with a chance for multi-kill scum nights with 2 sets of lovers in a 17p. That's just wild.

[Alisae]

Yeah I actually am starting to have a really hard time seeing that post being actually written by town

[Tammy]

I was more wondering for the possibility of a second traitor. It doesn’t feel like we’re dealing with 4 full scum though.

But again I suck at balance so.

I think we used suicide bombers at westeros (rip) a couple times, but they were always day roles I think. Can’t remember how they were balanced around though.

[DiamondSentinel]

balance wise you can't do 4 scum + traitor with a chance for multi-kill scum nights with 2 sets of lovers in a 17p. That's just wild.

You literally just posited the same thing yourself.

[DiamondSentinel]

I was more wondering for the possibility of a second traitor. It doesn’t feel like we’re dealing with 4 full scum though.

But again I suck at balance so.

I think we used suicide bombers at westeros (rip) a couple times, but they were always day roles I think. Can’t remember how they were balanced around though.

And perhaps that, but that doesn't change my consideration. Assuming normal traitors, they count for endgame numbers for scum.

My point with the above thing was that perhaps we should start treating this

as

the end game.

[Tammy]

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I literally posted the opposite

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there's no way a large games is in endgame after 1 mislynch and 1 mis-vig

[DiamondSentinel]

/shrug

There are 4 or 5 day large games out there.

[Alisae]

You're suggesting this would be a Day 3 large game and that's just insane

[Tammy]

Oh yeah I remember, suicide bombers did not change amount of scum.

Never mind, sorry for being dumb.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Suicide Bombers would not justify breaking my golden ratio™