Death Curse

[Noraa]

Mush do you think hopkirk is scum? If yes, shouldn't we just swap toog out and aim for a S -> T -> S?

[Noraa]

The consensus for the most part is that Toog is null or town. I dont really think we get much out of a toog flip no matter the circumstance

[MURDERCAT]

No we are doing toog

[shellyc]

Mush do you think hopkirk is scum? If yes, shouldn't we just swap toog out and aim for a S -> T -> S?

this is deraliling a wagon so your buddies can end up picking the elim

[shellyc]

The dayvig shot will extend any deadline by 48 hours.
Once you have reached a simple majority to curse (half of all living players plus one) that person shall receive the scroll.
If town fails to curse someone by the end of the 7 day deadline, mafia will pick who becomes cursed.
Once a player is cursed, they will have 2 days to pick a player they'd like to pass the scroll to, using a vote.
I'll allow placeholder votes using the HURT: tags in the event the player is afraid they'll forget to pass it on. The person it's passed to will simply default to the placeholder they've put down earlier.
If no placeholder vote was used, I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player the scroll bearer has voted in the game to receive the scroll.

If the above is not applicable, I'll allow mafia to pick.

[Noraa]

Mush do you think hopkirk is scum? If yes, shouldn't we just swap toog out and aim for a S -> T -> S?

this is deraliling a wagon so your buddies can end up picking the elim

this is probably one of the stupidest theories I've ever heard.

[MURDERCAT]

Why would toog be suicidal as scum, that would be dumb?

Wagon disintegrates

Yeah I wonder why

[Noraa]

Ur telling me that scum!Noraa is stopping a town!Toog lim so that the scroll can be given to her buddy scum!Hopkirk so that woohoo the scum team gets to choose. Thats absolute BS.

[shellyc]

Why would toog be suicidal as scum, that would be dumb?

Wagon disintegrates

Yeah I wonder why

Sometimes being arrogant in your solves leads to tunnel vision leads to town overconfidence leads to scum sweep

scum bravado is something I like to think (sounds project but scum often like to say "if i get nightkilled/elimed get this other guy")

[shellyc]

Ur telling me that scum!Noraa is stopping a town!Toog lim so that the scroll can be given to her buddy scum!Hopkirk so that woohoo the scum team gets to choose. Thats absolute BS.

no because if we run out of time scum get to pick

there's like 1 day on the timer

[Noraa]

if i get nightkilled/elimed get this other guy

pretty sure I would say this as town tho I dont need to cuz if I die, I get to choose who to take with me to hell.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

The reads Hopkirk's giving are trash though. Zdenek a townread? Ever? Also, like, on the face of it half of the nulls and half of the scumreads in Hopkirk's readslist make no sense.

Which strikes me as someone who is angling for miselimination bait more than actually paying attention to what looks town. Which would be way too much work for scum normally, but strikes me as a Hopkirk thing to do.

There's also the fact that most of Hopkirk's interactions where their reads are being questioned are obfuscated by jokes, sarcasm and generally ambiguous meaning. That seems not very much like town to me. Like ... jokes and sarcasm sure, but you'd generally separate those out or use them to punctuate points, rather than covering the surface of your post in an even coat.

So I mean, I don't think I need to do a metadive here. I'm not a fan of meta to begin with, and this is one of those things where these sort of elements come from a certain kind of personality. That sort of personality being faked when you normally play differently is scummy enough on its own, I think.


PEDIT: Noraa... god. Just as I start to townread you again you wreck it /why do you want to derail this wagon so badly just stop/ Toogaloo wants the scroll give 'em the scroll why is this up for debate with the deadline looming THIS CLOSE.

[shellyc]

The dayvig shot will extend any deadline by 48 hours.
Once you have reached a simple majority to curse (half of all living players plus one) that person shall receive the scroll.
If town fails to curse someone by the end of the 7 day deadline, mafia will pick who becomes cursed.
Once a player is cursed, they will have 2 days to pick a player they'd like to pass the scroll to, using a vote.
I'll allow placeholder votes using the HURT: tags in the event the player is afraid they'll forget to pass it on. The person it's passed to will simply default to the placeholder they've put down earlier.
If no placeholder vote was used, I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player the scroll bearer has voted in the game to receive the scroll.

If the above is not applicable, I'll allow mafia to pick.

pedit: yeah. in this setup. but in general it comes from scum more than town imo

[Noraa]

Say pooky pissed me off one too many times. I just stuff him in the luggage and take him with me to dead thread
I'm joking btw -___-

[UNOwen]

Shelly did I miss your response to my last post?

[Noraa]

The reads Hopkirk's giving are trash though. Zdenek a townread? Ever? Also, like, on the face of it half of the nulls and half of the scumreads in Hopkirk's readslist make no sense.

Which strikes me as someone who is angling for miselimination bait more than actually paying attention to what looks town. Which would be way too much work for scum normally, but strikes me as a Hopkirk thing to do.

There's also the fact that most of Hopkirk's interactions where their reads are being questioned are obfuscated by jokes, sarcasm and generally ambiguous meaning. That seems not very much like town to me. Like ... jokes and sarcasm sure, but you'd generally separate those out or use them to punctuate points, rather than covering the surface of your post in an even coat.

So I mean, I don't think I need to do a metadive here. I'm not a fan of meta to begin with, and this is one of those things where these sort of elements come from a certain kind of personality. That sort of personality being faked when you normally play differently is scummy enough on its own, I think.


PEDIT: Noraa... god. Just as I start to townread you again you wreck it /why do you want to derail this wagon so badly just stop/ Toogaloo wants the scroll give 'em the scroll why is this up for debate with the deadline looming THIS CLOSE.

T^T sorries I'm trying to obvtown but I suck ass at obvtowning.

[Noraa]

PEDIT: Noraa... god. Just as I start to townread you again you wreck it /why do you want to derail this wagon so badly just stop/ Toogaloo wants the scroll give 'em the scroll why is this up for debate with the deadline looming THIS CLOSE.

but also like if consensus SR is on Hopkirk, I sincerely do not understand why we hand to a pretty universally TRed person.

[MURDERCAT]

Literally everyone is town reading me, just vote for panda and let's get this through. We have a 0% chance of hitting scum if we don't pick someone.

[MURDERCAT]

I am not SRing hopkirk, we are doing toog period

[Noraa]

My vote is still on Toog but I do think that if we are going to change wagons, we have to hurry tf up. If no, then we just wait for people to pile on and hammer.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Toog wasn't universally townread before they obvtowned the response to being the target. Toog was universally nulled or scumleaned prior to that. This is why they're the wagon: it cleans the board up some and they are an easy elimination to agree on.

[MURDERCAT]

We have 8 and we still need 3 in 24 hours we are not switching

[UNOwen]

VOTE: Lapsa
Will switch to Toogeloo if this doesn't look like a viable wagon when I log in tomorrow morning. But if we are deadline eliminating, I'd prefer to deal with the borderline trolling player who may well be scum than the probtown demob-happy self-voting panda (who I pretty much entirely sympathise with).

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler:

It's not a viable wagon

[shellyc]

Will switch to Toogeloo if this doesn't look like a viable wagon when I log in tomorrow morning. But if we are deadline eliminating, I'd prefer to deal with the borderline trolling player who may well be scum than the probtown demob-happy self-voting panda (who I pretty much entirely sympathise with).

whoever that is trying to start wagons is being anti town
we have no time
we have no time at all