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[Menalque]

Oh, nice

Hey, DGB, have you considered that you’re at G-2 and have two people (PP and myself) who are very willing to vote you

You should support my infinity wagon if you want to live

[Something_Smart]

I guess it's like a BoP-esque thing really, but you're right that maybe she wouldn't so openly link herself to infinity if they were scum together

I mean, even ignoring Infinity completely, the BoP argument is that if she pushes that hard on lilith-- who, by the way, is also guaranteed to be a good PR-- and then lilith flips town, she suddenly looks really bad.

[lilith2013]

Hi lil!!!! It is super nice to see you but I do have some concerns that you may be planning to murder me during the night

(Re:IRL I really hope you feel better soon :/) )

D: after the bond we shared?! I’m wounded


(thank you <3)

[Infinity 324]

@inifnity the fact that you’re describing catching isis as a process of finding “obvscum” suggests to me that you’re a pretty good scumhunter as I think isis is generally strong as scum, and you claiming difficulty here after saying she was “easy” if anything makes me think you’re scummier

Egotisi in that game was p scummy tho, so I’ll give u that

Isis lurked most of d1 though, I doubt it was her best scumgame

I really can’t find scum if they try hard.

[Menalque]

I guess it's like a BoP-esque thing really, but you're right that maybe she wouldn't so openly link herself to infinity if they were scum together

I mean, even ignoring Infinity completely, the BoP argument is that if she pushes that hard on lilith-- who, by the way, is also guaranteed to be a good PR-- and then lilith flips town, she suddenly looks really bad.

C’mon we both know that’s not true, there’s a always a lot of townpoints to be had for “pushing with conviction” regardless of what someone flips, and there’s enough WIFOM room for scum!skitt to play around that successfully “oh come on, I would never push a likely strong town PR as scum that’s too obvious and I’m too good as scum to do that!”

Like I definitely think the more competent someone is as scum the more willing they are to make the WIFOM plays (I certainly have become more willing to do obvscummy things knowing that someone will say “why would scum!mena do that when he knows he’ll looo bad, it’s probably town!mena here tbh” as I got more comfortable as scum)

[Menalque]

Lil, what do you think of infinity? What did you make of skitter’s points on his being town?

[Something_Smart]

it's mostly the incongruence of skitter defending a slot I think is VERY scummy whenever anyone has raised that when I would expect her to be calling the things out that I'm seeing and not defusing pressure there

Clearly there are at least 9 town players who didn't see Infinity as scummy. Do you have reason to believe that skitter specifically would have been likely to scumread the things you pointed out?

[Menalque]

Untrue, others did start to push at things about infinity and skitter was the person who prevented those things developing

Again, I’m not scumreading skitter, but I think that her redirecting away from infinity is undeniable

And yes, I would expect skitter to notice the obvscumminess more than others because I think they’re obvscummy and bc I think skitter is a very strong player who would normally notice those things?

[lilith2013]

If she’s scum trying to push a wagon on me through and has the support and is confident she’ll be able to wriggle out of any resulting suspicions after my flip (which would be the reason she felt comfortable pushing me in the first place), then there’s no reason for her to back off at E-1. That makes me think she’s town

[Infinity 324]

I’m gonna try to case hoopla in a bit if only to show menal that I’m trying

[Menalque]

Like, that’s not meant as a slight on anyone here but

(1) skitter has been very engaged this game

(2) it’s not just her ‘missing’ things — it’s her looking at infinity and concluding that he’s town instead of scum

[lilith2013]

Lil, what do you think of infinity? What did you make of skitter’s points on his being town?

There was some earlier stuff in his ISO that pinged me and I thought his vote on me was really scummy. I think I responded to skitter’s quotes already - there was like one set of posts that I thought was fine but the other set I didn’t really see town motivation for

[Menalque]

I don’t think skitter is scum! She could just be wrong on infinity! Or I could be! But I think that it’s worth pointing out that there are meaningful links there in the event that one or the other flips scum

[Menalque]

I’ll cop check infinity tonight

[Something_Smart]

C’mon we both know that’s not true

It may or may not be true, but it actually doesn't matter whether it is or not. What matters is whether skitter would EXPECT it to be true. And this lobby has a lot of old-school players who don't necessarily know skitter all that well and may not be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, and even the people who do know her better may be willing to sheep that wagon just out of annoyance.

Point being, that's an awful big risk for someone as good at scum as skitter is, considering she's influential enough that she could probably get a lilith execution through without pushing it as hard as she was.

[Menalque]

If we don’t flip him

[lilith2013]

I can’t remember if I mentioned it already or not, but his early posts seemed very “agreeable” with everyone, even people he was scumreading

[lilith2013]

sorry I’m so slow aghhhhh

[Menalque]

Okay chicos, i have to run it’s evening here and I have plans, I will look forward to catching up on infinity’s hoopla case when I get back

[Something_Smart]

(good news, rapid test came back negative; bad news, I still have *some* unknown viral infection and have basically been too tired to move. It’s been a fuuuun week)

This is good to hear at least! Hope you feel better soon.

[Infinity 324]

Lil, what do you think of infinity? What did you make of skitter’s points on his being town?

There was some earlier stuff in his ISO that pinged me and I thought his vote on me was really scummy. I think I responded to skitter’s quotes already - there was like one set of posts that I thought was fine but the other set I didn’t really see town motivation for

Ok can we talk this though? Not how town talks about a scumread. Looks like she’s trying to give lip service to skitter’s points without incorporating them into her read.

[davesaz]

Dave looking a little worse for sheeping onto DGB, unless DGB is, in fact, scum

Check again, not sheeping.

[davesaz]

Menalque, stop role fishing immediately.

[davesaz]

S_S just got major scum equity btw. No way in hell that 9 people skipped a role like cop to allow it to drop to 10th, and a mechanics player should be on that.
BTW for the love of god don't counter claim. We don't need to know, and we sure as shit don't need scum to know.
I can't decide if Menalque gets scum points for fishing or if it's a reaction test, but I'm busting it right now.

[TheGoldenParadox]

i think menal has a reputation for lolclaiming.

also, from SS's stats, 3/16 PYP games have not had the cop slot at all. Consider that.