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[Flavor Leaf]

1609 makes me think koba voted mark in order to go "oh oops guess I couldn't get my top choice time to compromise on infinity"

To be fair, they’re getting flash wagon’d, so I’d say that makes sense if kkoba’s town too.

I was having trouble finding the scum or town motivation from their vote on mark, since they'd been townreading mark for doing essentially the same thing for most of the game. I found a possible scum motivation so

I brought this up like before i pushed you

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: koba feels towny to me here if anything

Why is that?

@JV: Fake claiming and retracting on the same page hardly ever nets you anything of value (except for making you look sus, that is). Also what mod gives a player such info in a mini-normal? Your fake claim process needs to be tweaked a fair bit if you ask me.

I'm informed that there's scum within Shelly, DKKoba and Infinity. Probably should out that rn

if you wanted to get a reaction out of me why would you do retract before i came back to this thread

EXACTLY!

It's times like this I just try to imagine what is going on in the scum PT.

Genuine Town!slop or faking a town!slip?? Does anybody know Baltar well enough?

Like, of the 3 I wanted to look into most (first 3 to post) I find taylor to be the least likely to flip red.

Also, based on the interaction between shelly & JV I think this is Town!JV (My strongest TR by the end of page 8)

I also think I'm officially skipping DkK's posts.

[Infinity 324]

For sure. I'd say I'm more inclined to give Koba and Andres leeway this game because I just played with them as town and like them both.

That being said, it's not a free pass. You can see my skepticism of Andres, for example, even if I'm giving him some time to vibe with me.

Taylor's case is legit shit, and you're like "lol Taylor is town" because she posted a dumb reply. Either you're free passing her completely, or you know her alignment. Not saying you can't think she is town, but it would absolutely raise my hackles if I was in your position.

It's not

complete

shit. It's more like "infinity played different than the two other games I played with him as town". That much is true. Using that as the whole case is obviously bad, but something I've seen town do before. In fact, that's kinda why I think she's town now that the read switched. She started townreading me when I started putting in effort (like I did during the games we've played together), which I knew she would do if town. If she's scum, though, she can pretend to be stuck in a tunnel and I'm the only one who can call her out for it. But since I'm being mislimmed, people are likely not to listen to me. So there's no real reason to switch her read on me there if scum.

[Infinity 324]

I brought this up like before i pushed you

Wait where?

@A50: I thought koba was towny because they seemed to be doing a lot to get the game out of RVS.

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE: koba feels towny to me here if anything

Why is that?

@JV: Fake claiming and retracting on the same page hardly ever nets you anything of value (except for making you look sus, that is). Also what mod gives a player such info in a mini-normal? Your fake claim process needs to be tweaked a fair bit if you ask me.

I'm informed that there's scum within Shelly, DKKoba and Infinity. Probably should out that rn

if you wanted to get a reaction out of me why would you do retract before i came back to this thread

EXACTLY!

It's times like this I just try to imagine what is going on in the scum PT.

Genuine Town!slop or faking a town!slip?? Does anybody know Baltar well enough?

Like, of the 3 I wanted to look into most (first 3 to post) I find taylor to be the least likely to flip red.

Also, based on the interaction between shelly & JV I think this is Town!JV (My strongest TR by the end of page 8)

I also think I'm officially skipping DkK's posts.

I mean u just townbin me and never vote me that's good enough for me.

[DkKoba]

1609 makes me think koba voted mark in order to go "oh oops guess I couldn't get my top choice time to compromise on infinity"

To be fair, they’re getting flash wagon’d, so I’d say that makes sense if kkoba’s town too.

I was having trouble finding the scum or town motivation from their vote on mark, since they'd been townreading mark for doing essentially the same thing for most of the game. I found a possible scum motivation so

lmao we get it hes ur partner buddy.

i only tr him bc big wallposts just like the rest of the table did.
Then the contents of them started slipping him.

[Infinity 324]

lmao we get it hes ur partner buddy.

i only tr him bc big wallposts just like the rest of the table did.
Then the contents of them started slipping him.

You really thought that was why everyone was TRing him? I got strong townvibes from his frustration with your posting style, among other things. Seemed like he was really trying to engage with you but got frustrated when you weren't really doing that.

[DkKoba]

that's not alignment indicative

[DkKoba]

but keep trying

[Marky Mark]

Good evening all,

I'm not gonna lie, I am currently 7 pints down, so take the following with a pinch of salt:

So my main concern atm is the three lurker slots (Zedenek now being replaced seems positive) that are being allowed to coast fairly easily. For those who are arguing against an elm on a low-activity player (eg TAykor, FL), I'd genuinely like to understand how you plan to deal with those slots going forward. I am open-minded on this but I think it's important that we have a coherent plan going forward.

In particular, I'm concerned/worried about DGB - they are clearly a competent player who is currently being allowed to coast and avoid scrutiny. Nobody else seems to be SRing them particularly, which makes me wonder what others are seeing in them that I am not.

[Infinity 324]

that's not alignment indicative

Scum wouldn't give a shit, they can OMGUS you or ignore you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good evening all,

I'm not gonna lie, I am currently 7 pints down, so take the following with a pinch of salt:

So my main concern atm is the three lurker slots (Zedenek now being replaced seems positive) that are being allowed to coast fairly easily. For those who are arguing against an elm on a low-activity player (eg TAykor, FL), I'd genuinely like to understand how you plan to deal with those slots going forward. I am open-minded on this but I think it's important that we have a coherent plan going forward.

In particular, I'm concerned/worried about DGB - they are clearly a competent player who is currently being allowed to coast and avoid scrutiny. Nobody else seems to be SRing them particularly, which makes me wonder what others are seeing in them that I am not.

I’m voting Kkoba, what low activity player are you implying I’m pushing?

Prior to Koba, I believe I was on Infinity.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, arguing against. I misread it.

[DkKoba]

so ur projecting? U think marks dgb push is towny? U think their attempt to push nm is towny? I look at actions not words lmao. Ur premises are garbage

[Flavor Leaf]

You can fade them later in the game, I just think it’s missed opportunity on Day 1. Missing Day 1 is nothing, missing multiple days is something

[Almost50]

V/LA until Monday

V/LA until Monkey looks more like it.

Andres is Town.. I think

Apparently the sesq slot was filled so we gonna get a new voice soon hopefully

ROTFLMGO! Someone expects AI content from N_M!!

You should vote him then and prove me wrong with a flip

Erm.. that's not the way it works. One doesn't vote a TR just to prove someone is wrong! I'm surprised to see this argument come from a veteran.

THANK YOU PROFESSOR MAFIA

Irrelevant:

Is Prof Mafia your alt?

EoP 14

[Flavor Leaf]

@A50 - what do you think about Andres incessantly strong town read on my slot?

[Flavor Leaf]

Laughing your goatee off? I couldn’t figure it out

[VP Baltar]

In particular, I'm concerned/worried about DGB - they are clearly a competent player who is currently being allowed to coast and avoid scrutiny.

I've played a good amount with DGB in olden times. This is just her play. She definitely will get more active later. If I had a scum read on her, I'd be all in with you, but she's null to town for me atm.

[Infinity 324]

so ur projecting? U think marks dgb push is towny? U think their attempt to push nm is towny? I look at actions not words lmao. Ur premises are garbage

Their worry about sorting slots that are low info is towny, yes. It's a concern, I don't agree that we have to lim a low info slot on d1 but the motivation behind it is towny. Words matter, scum can "do town things" but the way they do those things might be off. Mark's emotions and words are matching up with his actions, which is something even experienced scum can have difficulty faking. I just have a hard time believing you thought walls = town for so long.

[VP Baltar]

I am currently 7 pints down

Lol mark is a sponge to still be posting after 7 pints

[Andresvmb]

@A50 - what do you think about Andres incessantly strong town read on my slot?

Why?

[VP Baltar]

Irrelevant: Is Prof Mafia your alt?

I don't have any alts. Just lil ol me

[Marky Mark]

anyways im coming back to this post and just getting rly annoyed ppl wanna let ppl like mark deepwolf easily on d1 when they've been slipping the longer they've been talking.

I'm not familiar with 'deepwolf' - would you mind elaborating? Ty.

Oh hey, it's jackson and geraintm everyone, posting weak sniping and IIoA, respectively.

Look, we need to come to a consensus wagon today. We have roughly 3 days and still need to get through the claim process. Late tomorrow and Wednesday will be a loss for me because of the election in the US (soft VLA warning for about 24 hours there), so I'd rather we move this forward today if possible.

I'll be switching my vote to infinity today unless you all come to your senses and see what a pile of poop you're letting skate into D2. Scum are going to try to keep the wagons as divided as possible up to deadline so any yeet is a rush job. Don't let them.

Preach. We need to start gathering consensus before we end up rushing into anything.

I'm not feeling a Mark yeet today. Like, on a personal level, I hate that posting style to some degree, but that's NAI.

At a pragmatic level, if there are things I could tweak to make my posts more digestible please let me know

Dkkoba is VERY town.

Why?

almost all u need to know is that infinity and mark are pretty much conf scum

Chat shit, get banged,

[Andresvmb]

I could certainly see scum!VP here, the main reason being he often doesn't follow through all the way with his thought processes from earlier in the game. Part of the problem is that he admits to being not totally open with his reads, but I would expect some more questioning relating the concerns with certain slots (shelly and me for example). In some spots, it feels like he's being manipulative or keeping his options open for a mislim. However, the way he described being a journalist influencing his playstyle can explain some of this, since he likes to ask player A about their thoughts on player B a lot without giving his own opinion. I can see a towny mindset shining through in a few spots, which also gives me pause. Some potentially relevant quotes:

Spoiler:

Fair enough, and I agree that it was clear you thought it had merit. But you didn’t give an opinion or commit yourself to anything, it felt kinda like throwing shade to me.

I mean, the way I tend to see it is that town is a push and pull with other town players. Koba was doing a good job pushing shelly hard. I wanted to notch that pressure up a bit (or at least reinforce Koba was not alone in suspicion), but felt no need to take over the inquisition. I think it is fine for town to play supporting roles when the situation calls for it.

This post seemed to match up with his play at the time and felt like a towny way to go about it.

I don't agree they're open ended, she literally said scum is likely 3 out of a group of 4. Don't see why targeting high activity slots or PoE is scummy, even this early (I love PoE). I get there's a playstyle barrier here, do your best to explain it. My only read on taylor is a light townlean since in a recently finished scum game she seemed to care more about what people thought of her.

Curious why you see this slot as townlean when she called you scum for pretty weak ass reasons.

This feels manipulative to me in retrospect.

Like, I want andres to be town here, but I'm not seeing as much fire in the belly as I might expect. I don't know what his D1 play is usually like though.

Follows up on the andres read, which is good. I do think the way he's approaching this read has been a bit odd though, since he hasn't questioned/engaged andres a lot. Could be setting up a possible mislim down the line.

balt what is the progression on me? If you SR'd me do you think I bussed by starting that wagon?

Did I answer this?

Im still a bit skeptical of you, but flash wagoning math was protown. I don't think I'd want yeet you today, even though I said that earlier. Willing to hear you out some more and see if I was wrong earlier

I don't like this, there's not much initiative in terms of solving shelly and he sorta just drops the read.

Not too late for scum to bus Math here. Premium seats are almost filled and that speed hammer is gonna look bad!

Buy now!

This feels towny lol

Yes, I would still rather yeet someone we agree is scummiest.

I think it's a complete waste of a day to some degree to have to yeet n_m, but it is also very annoying behavior to encourage. Last resort for the day if needed I guess

This feels like keeping options open and I don't like it.

VP gives me pause as their tone gives off an almost authority like vibe which makes me think they play good as scum.

Registration and ID please.


This sort of feels like town on town, but Koba, I'd be interested in you responding to the broad strokes of Jackson's case if you will.

This feels very journalist-y, which does fit with the VP's description of his playstyle. (There are a bunch of spots where VP does this kind of thing). More likely to be town-indicative, since it's resorting to his natural style instead of faking.

What I would say is that I would have maybe preferred to have seen these reasons you’re articulating now more clearly stated at that time.

This tends to be my play. It's probably a personality trait from my job (journalist). I'll often hold back initial reasoning a bit because it can prompt reactions. Always happy to be clear though if asked.

Anyhow, I'm biased about the TR on me because I think my own town play is pretty clear most times. I always get some suspicion or concern though because I play OK as scum too.

The bias on the TR is more likely to come from town since scum may not think of that.

im a tonereader mostly. normally i mindmeld with infinity, and infinity generally comes of as obvtown to me. that isnt happening here. and the tone feels off. for more concrete things, see my iso.

I'm on my phone and not ISOing anyone atm. If you have something more substantial than tone/meta, spit it out.

I'm not asking you to make a wall. Literal bullet points will do and I'm not asking you to back it up with evidence. Just tell me

Sort of looks like he's trying to get taylor to "convince" him to vote me. I do think he seems to be looking for justification to SR me in some spots, rather than just saying that he's willing to compromise on me.

Need to think about this a bit more, but leaning scum atm.

I think this is Scummy actually. I’ll say why - I think VPB is more likely as Town than as Scum to realize there’s many people either TR Tayl0r, or signaling that they aren’t really considering to vote there, and then remaining true to their read and voting there. Not saying Scum don’t do this. I just think it’s less likely. I literally said Tayl0r was my strongest TR just before. VPB knows that this is a position they will have to convince others of and argue aggressively. This is not something Scum aims to do.