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[VP Baltar]

As such, I am leaning towards either an elim on someone who has objectivley acted against town interests (ie DK) or someone in the lurker pool (ie DGB, NM or Geraint at a push).

Team Geraintm here and always down. DGB would vote there as well. That's three.

[Infinity 324]

I'm going to look into andres later/tomorrow, I think the push on me is towny but not sure.

[Andresvmb]

How about this, did any of the reasoning in 1644 feel manufactured to you?

PEdit: andres they totally different scenarios and I don't understand how to explain it better than I did. Me not having scumreads was an obvious point that was clear all game. The few points that VP felt manipulative weren't obvious and needed a reread. Re-evaluation is done in different ways by town and scum, one is towny and one is scummy.

I don’t know about manufactured. I can give you my feedback on what I see in those posts, or where I disagree rather, and you tell me what you think.

You called VPB’s response in 625 manipulative. But I agree. VPB interpreted Tayl0r’s push on you to be weak. And whenever I see a bad case being made against me (particularly as Town), I don’t return with a TR, I go back and probe, to try and demonstrate that the reasoning is poor. So, it’s a legitimate question.

Your reaction to 650 is interesting, but I don’t know that I agree. Setting up a miselim of my slot would be arguing strongly that if you flip Town, I’m always Scum, or something of the sort. Because if I’m wrong about you, and he knows it, he has something to fall back on. Simply stating that they expected me to be more aggressive doesn’t seem to fall in the same category.

And about 891, yeah, I can see what you’re saying here. I will make a few points. One, Not_Mafia is extremely difficult to read. Nothing they do is ever decisively Towny or Scummy. So, it’s reasonable to suggest them as a compromise execution in a tight spot. However, and this is my second point, it’s not impossible to figure them out either. In fact, Not_Mafia is actually voting for DkKoba, and not themselves, and has made a few reads. And, I don’t think we find ourselves in a tight spot yet. So I’m not fully dismissing what you’re saying, but VPB isn’t really being Scummy for pushing something that is logical.

If you ask me, I don’t think Not_Mafia is Scum based on the limited content we have, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did a lim happen?

[Almost50]

STOP being mean to my homie N_M, y'all. No worry milkman. I got your back.

Btw,

It's the same as posting the n word with a 1 instead of an I to circumvent the filter

Since when did N1GER1A become a bad word??



Or did you mean N1GER?



Or maybe NE1THER??

Taylor and geraint is town

I... "think".. this is town N_M??

I mean, it's not common that he says "town" aloud. I'm more used to him shouting "X is scum" repeatedly as either alignment, so this is kinda new to me. (Even when we were scum together once he refused to vote me, but I don't recall him calling me town either)

[Almost50]

Good news: I've made it to page 28 in one go

Bas news: Now I feel too sleepy to make much sense of anything I read, so I will be back in 8-12 hours to do the rest.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I welcome some input from others on this and you can all yell at me for focusing on the wrong thing if that’s what I’m doing. This could also be confirmation bias on my part.

The infinity elim here feels like a low % play

I get the argument for their POE being off (I am less convinced by the Taylor argument of them playing differently to prior games), but I am not particularly convinced at this point that their POE being off => they are scum

If I were a gambling man, I would put dosh on there being 1+ scum in the lurker pool

As such, I am leaning towards either an elim on someone who has objectivley acted against town interests (ie DK) or someone in the lurker pool (ie DGB, NM or Geraint at a push).

Unfortunately, I’m not going to come along for a DkKoba execution I don’t think. I came out on the overall positive side when I analyzed them in detail. I think I’m going to trust myself here.

[VP Baltar]

Andres, you don't find it slightly weird that Taylor has called infinity scum since the start of this game and never waivered until the yeet was legit going to happen?

I find that super suspect.

[Gamma Emerald]

Catching up is looking like a greater and greater chore with every spammer that replaces in

[Marky Mark]

Did a lim happen?

Nah mate, 3 on Infinity and 4 on DK afaik

Catching up is looking like a greater and greater chore with every spammer that replaces in

Preach.

[VP Baltar]

I just iso-ed Taylor and there isn't a ton of variance in their reads. They could just be a cocky player, but it's weird to me to see that kind of confidence on D1

[Andresvmb]

How about this, did any of the reasoning in 1644 feel manufactured to you?

PEdit: andres they totally different scenarios and I don't understand how to explain it better than I did. Me not having scumreads was an obvious point that was clear all game. The few points that VP felt manipulative weren't obvious and needed a reread. Re-evaluation is done in different ways by town and scum, one is towny and one is scummy.

I don’t know about manufactured. I can give you my feedback on what I see in those posts, or where I disagree rather, and you tell me what you think.

You called VPB’s response in 625 manipulative. But I agree. VPB interpreted Tayl0r’s push on you to be weak. And whenever I see a bad case being made against me (particularly as Town), I don’t return with a TR, I go back and probe, to try and demonstrate that the reasoning is poor. So, it’s a legitimate question.

Your reaction to 650 is interesting, but I don’t know that I agree. Setting up a miselim of my slot would be arguing strongly that if you flip Town, I’m always Scum, or something of the sort. Because if I’m wrong about you, and he knows it, he has something to fall back on. Simply stating that they expected me to be more aggressive doesn’t seem to fall in the same category.

And about 891, yeah, I can see what you’re saying here. I will make a few points. One, Not_Mafia is extremely difficult to read. Nothing they do is ever decisively Towny or Scummy. So, it’s reasonable to suggest them as a compromise execution in a tight spot. However, and this is my second point, it’s not impossible to figure them out either. In fact, Not_Mafia is actually voting for DkKoba, and not themselves, and has made a few reads. And, I don’t think we find ourselves in a tight spot yet. So I’m not fully dismissing what you’re saying, but VPB isn’t really being Scummy for pushing something that is logical.

If you ask me, I don’t think Not_Mafia is Scum based on the limited content we have, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it.

So just to follow up on 1727, if I had felt that your analysis of these posts that you highlighted was strong or spot on, then I wouldn’t be SR’ing you for the timing. But the fact that a lot of this doesn’t really offset the posts you did call Towny, and yet you come out with a Lean Scum on VPB after the fight between Tayl0r and VPB, coupled with the fact that you now seem to be backtracking... it doesn’t look good to me.

[Marky Mark]

Goodnight all

Almost50, its a pleasure to have you join us.

[VP Baltar]

Catching up is looking like a greater and greater chore with every spammer that replaces in

You willing to yeet geraintm today?

[Andresvmb]

Crap I was trying not to actually quote my own post.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just iso-ed Taylor and there isn't a ton of variance in their reads. They could just be a cocky player, but it's weird to me to see that kind of confidence on D1

Curious to see the response to this allegation

[Gamma Emerald]

Catching up is looking like a greater and greater chore with every spammer that replaces in

You willing to yeet geraintm today?

Yeah man

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m posting on break at work btw and the work radio just Rick rolled me

[Andresvmb]

Andres, you don't find it slightly weird that Taylor has called infinity scum since the start of this game and never waivered until the yeet was legit going to happen?

I find that super suspect.

What if it’s a distancing tactic though? Don’t we have Scum anyway? Haha just trying to be optimistic here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that’s a super weak tactic if Tay is scum
Is she that clueless?

[Not_Mafia]

Hi A50

[VP Baltar]

Andres, you don't find it slightly weird that Taylor has called infinity scum since the start of this game and never waivered until the yeet was legit going to happen?

I find that super suspect.

What if it’s a distancing tactic though? Don’t we have Scum anyway? Haha just trying to be optimistic here.

I'll admit. That crossed my mind. Their play at each other is nonsensical

[Infinity 324]

You called VPB’s response in 625 manipulative. But I agree. VPB interpreted Tayl0r’s push on you to be weak. And whenever I see a bad case being made against me (particularly as Town), I don’t return with a TR, I go back and probe, to try and demonstrate that the reasoning is poor. So, it’s a legitimate question.

Yeah I'm more jaded, town uses weak reasoning all the time. I don't think there's anything unusual about noticing that someone is playing different from a couple town games of theirs, and using that to form a read, despite it being bad play. (I had a null read on taylor at that point so) You agreeing with him makes me less confident tbf.

Your reaction to 650 is interesting, but I don’t know that I agree. Setting up a miselim of my slot would be arguing strongly that if you flip Town, I’m always Scum, or something of the sort. Because if I’m wrong about you, and he knows it, he has something to fall back on. Simply stating that they expected me to be more aggressive doesn’t seem to fall in the same category.

It's a different type of thing, I thought that he could be setting up to go "ha I knew there was something off about andres" later in the game. It's also possible from a town perspective, but yeah.

And about 891, yeah, I can see what you’re saying here. I will make a few points. One, Not_Mafia is extremely difficult to read. Nothing they do is ever decisively Towny or Scummy. So, it’s reasonable to suggest them as a compromise execution in a tight spot. However, and this is my second point, it’s not impossible to figure them out either. In fact, Not_Mafia is actually voting for DkKoba, and not themselves, and has made a few reads. And, I don’t think we find ourselves in a tight spot yet. So I’m not fully dismissing what you’re saying, but VPB isn’t really being Scummy for pushing something that is logical.

Ok makes sense. I do think VP would have to be playing really well to be scum here, and I can definitely see town motivation behind his posts, but there are a few things he's done that have felt off.

[Infinity 324]

So just to follow up on 1727, if I had felt that your analysis of these posts that you highlighted was strong or spot on, then I wouldn’t be SR’ing you for the timing. But the fact that a lot of this doesn’t really offset the posts you did call Towny, and yet you come out with a Lean Scum on VPB after the fight between Tayl0r and VPB, coupled with the fact that you now seem to be backtracking... it doesn’t look good to me.

I felt the opposite, the reasons I had to TR VP's posts were somewhat weak and the scum points were stronger.

[Infinity 324]

Andres, you don't find it slightly weird that Taylor has called infinity scum since the start of this game and never waivered until the yeet was legit going to happen?

I find that super suspect.

What if it’s a distancing tactic though? Don’t we have Scum anyway? Haha just trying to be optimistic here.

I'll admit. That crossed my mind. Their play at each other is nonsensical

I feel like people get this perception a lot when they're on the outside looking in.