Death Curse

[Bell]

I just don't care who's bussing who.
Fred's ~probably~ scum to me.
No matter who votes him it doesn't change these odds. You don't know who's scum and who isn't whether a certain player is bussing, sheeping or is scum hunting or making a plan or whatever.

Just vote the scum murder.
Do it for me. *shiny eyes*

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not convinced he is scum, obviously if I were I'd be voting there.

[Bell]

I'm not really sure what you're expecting to be convinced of in a game with no investigative roles.
I've given a case. My reads aren't amazing, but he's my scum read for those reasons.
I'm going to push everyone to vote that person. If I'm wrong, sucks.

[MURDERCAT]

You are referring to 4219?

I just don't think any of that is clearly scummy? I mean yeah he could be scum but I just don't see where the confidence comes from.

[Bell]

Oh, I fake confidence because I'm just from that era where the only way to get votes moving was to sound like you had a cop guilty on someone.
I also don't really think most scum are just...obviously scum. Their one job is to not be obvious scum.
I think his attention is misplaced in a way that is extremely scummy.
I also think that he's a little more likely to be scum than not due to replacing into a slot that replaced out. I'm not saying that's fair, it's just...Data.
Yes I am aware that Vax replaced into a slot. But the data is the data.

I think he's also expanding his range in a way that's scummy as well.
I think his tone is scummy.

Who is your strongest scum read and why Murder?

[Bell]

*sigh*
I just badly want this one elimination.
May I have it? @Everyone: Please?

[MURDERCAT]

If I could pass anyone the first scroll right now I'd give it to Pooky. Part of it is that I think Noraa is town, and I am suspicious of people who are SRing the slot still (yes I know that applies to Fred). It feels to me like Pooky has been a little overly defensive in places that stick out too, similar to what I was picking up from LLD. Especially when you see it towards people who Pooky seems to be town reading, it just felt a little off. I think Pooky saying he isn't town reading me is weird, I think town Pooky should be trying to work with me. It doesn't feel like he is really trying to town block at all really. Also, look at his votes.

Spoiler: Pooky votes

VOTE: Noraa

yea let's do it

VOTE: Hopkirk

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

im really glad ms obvscum is still alive

VOTE: T-swizzle

VOTE: Fred

VOTE: T-swizzle

this is obviously a scum

she is not even pretending to be trying at this point.

yea lets just kill fred whatever

VOTE: Fred

I just don't feel like Pooky is working to advance town's win con.

[MURDERCAT]

I think Fred could be scum sure, but I'm not currently convinced by it and I really want to go S>T>S today. But if no one can see LLD or Pooky as options then I guess we will flip there? If we go town Fred to town Noraa it'll really suck though.

[Bell]

mmm. Sure.
Personally not willing to go there today (somewhat obviously).
Other people can discuss the Pookie murder if they want.

I don't truly see an issue with his votes without flips. in those areas.
I absolutely don't know whether Pooky is overly defensive as one alignment than as another.
I will give you that it is weird that everyone isn't town reading you at this point.
But it's fairly close to universal. I'd hard defend you and think it would be a scum claim if you got scrolled tbh. Good for you if you're scum.

[MURDERCAT]

We can hit 1 scum today and be okay so I don't hate going for Fred, but you'll see why the Pooky vote there makes me uneasy. I think what happened on D1 is scum waited until a wagon on a townie could be pushed without much effort and I'm worried that is what is happening today too with Fred.

[Bell]

It's not the same contextually, at least not to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just don't feel like Pooky is working to advance town's win con.

lol

Spoiler:

Pooky/Shelly/Toogeloo/Vaxkiller/Lapsa

This is the scumteam, no questions please

VOTE: toogoloo

Noraa, Hopkirk, please you are both town, let's just flip panda (that's "toogs" btw vax) and then they probably hand the scroll to me and I hit scum number 2. Then you sheep my list until it's proven wrong, which it won't be.

Hi taylor welcome to the thread, we are yeeting the panda today

i would kind of expect a town who is wagoned to be like tooge- just say sure whatever gimme the scroll so i can shoot somebody and get this lol thing over with.

I agree with this here.

Which is exactly why scum would do it to try to kill momentum on the wagon

lol

Come on, you are both town, let's do panda

I couldn't possibly be wrong

To this extent? I am not even confident in my limlo reads so I find it absolutely shocking.

Sometimes everything just clicks and it feels like you can see everything, I know you know that feeling

the last time I got this feeling where I thought I solved the game, I almost killed poor echo

Believe in me like I believe in you

vote panda for curse

I literally can't overstate how confident I am in my solve and that flea is therefore town

He was referring to town wincon

You are both town

Vote panda for curse

are we really going to vote Panda out

Yeah we are still doing the player for whom there is no reason to town read except for the fact they showed up to do a very fakeable "obvtown" suicide and then dipped from the thread to see if it would work

Literally everyone is town reading me, just vote for panda and let's get this through. We have a 0% chance of hitting scum if we don't pick someone.

Why would toog be suicidal as scum, that would be dumb?

Wagon disintegrates

Yeah I wonder why

[MURDERCAT]

It's not the same contextually, at least not to me.

Of course not, you are leading the wagon

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok ShadeCat

tell me which vote of mine you find suspicious and why

go

[MURDERCAT]

lol

Like this is what weirds me out Pooky, you respond to stuff by sidestepping it instead of engaging with it. It's the same thing as the Noraa /Pooky can't be scum team stuff, you say that as an argument that you aren't scum without addressing the things that people are SRing you for.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah i just think it's funny that I was right and you're wrong and you go afk and then come back and try to lecture me on working towards a town wincon its wild

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but sure ShadeCat you think I'm not working on winning go ahead and explain which of my votes is questionable in your opinion. go ahead

[MURDERCAT]

Ok ShadeCat

tell me which vote of mine you find suspicious and why

go

Are we doing this again? I think I have a cold so I'm going to go lay down but I'll give you one.

This doesn't feel like a genuine question. The point is that you are kind of sitting around without really making hard pushes after the beginning of the game with your push on Noraa. You have reads but it doesn't feel like you are working to get people on your side. It feels kind of performative to me, like you are not actually that interested in eliming the people you are SRing.

[MURDERCAT]

nah i just think it's funny that I was right and you're wrong and you go afk and then come back and try to lecture me on working towards a town wincon its wild

Working towards getting townies to vote with you is working towards a town wincon IMO, even if you end up being wrong.

[MURDERCAT]

That one was a freebie ^

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

most of the town is apathetic

the scum are not interested in bussing

this game is over and I have no interest in putting extra effort into trying to push taylor swift given I've already tried and nobody cares

[MURDERCAT]

So why should I town read you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont care about your reads

[MURDERCAT]

Ok why should anyone town read you? I realize I was AFK for a bit but I'd still like to play for a win and that includes figuring out you are town if you are.

[Noraa]

How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
I wanna take out two SRs of mine in one go.