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Post Post #7775 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:26 am

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So maybe I would execute Math in the event of a suicide. I dunno.
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Post Post #7776 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:29 am

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I kinda hope a suicide just decides the game. Then I get to be right and win.
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Post Post #7777 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:31 am

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im not sure if town will die tonight b/c if we are right that shelly/tpg is a town it seems like the scum need to keep them alive so they can have mislynch bait. ditto bell and even if they shoot @ norway to remove his vest he still doesn't die.
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Post Post #7778 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:32 am

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In post 7777, Nero Cain wrote:im not sure if town will die tonight b/c if we are right that shelly/tpg is a town it seems like the scum need to keep them alive so they can have mislynch bait. ditto bell and even if they shoot @ norway to remove his vest he still doesn't die.
Nero. I think it's obvious by now we don't have a misexecute left.
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Post Post #7779 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:33 am

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If scum shoots the vest, we revoke the suicide request to Shelly and execute Math because we'd have the misexecute to spare.
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Post Post #7780 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:34 am

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I think that math holds.
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Post Post #7781 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:38 am

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Of course, that's totally townsiding and gives us a good chance of losing.

So I think the play is Math has to save in shelly/TGP. Bell has to shoot in there. If Math is correct, we execute Bell as we'd have the misexecute for Math after.
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Post Post #7782 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:40 am

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its currently 2 vs. 2 vs. 3 vs 4 unless you buy the Math claim and its 2/2/3/3/1 wich I obv don't
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Post Post #7783 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:41 am

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inb4 math shoots @ norway and claims that its proof he's a doc
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Post Post #7784 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:43 am

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So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.
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Post Post #7785 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:43 am

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It's practically 9 1/2 vs. 2 scum. We have the numbers to just bulldoze our way through all of chemist/math/bell
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Post Post #7786 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:44 am

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In post 7783, Nero Cain wrote:inb4 math shoots @ norway and claims that its proof he's a doc
Then he loses anyway even if we execute Bell first. The only thing that happens is we get screwed if wrong.
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Post Post #7787 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:45 am

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In post 7785, Nero Cain wrote:It's practically 9 1/2 vs. 2 scum. We have the numbers to just bulldoze our way through all of chemist/math/bell
Nero, we don't count for parity. It's in our role pm.
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Post Post #7788 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:46 am

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i know
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Post Post #7789 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:46 am

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In post 7784, Titus wrote:So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.
This is objectively the best plan and satisifies everyone mostly.
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Post Post #7790 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:47 am

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In post 7788, Nero Cain wrote:i know
It's like 6 alive, 2 scum right now. The neutrals are just extra votes. We don't count for when endgame happens.
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Post Post #7791 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:48 am

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Are you sure that's objectively the best plan.
It involves executing town Bell.
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In post 7791, Bell wrote:Are you sure that's objectively the best plan.
It involves executing town Bell.
Town bell still wins in scenario 1 because scum Math gets executed right after.
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Post Post #7793 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:50 am

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Did chemist say they would explode?
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Post Post #7794 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:50 am

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Bell, do you understand that the last scum is between you and math? and that if you die you'll still complete your wincon and prove that math is the last scum?
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Post Post #7795 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:50 am

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The only thing that happens in scenario 1 is that if wrong on Math/Bell, society loses.
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Post Post #7796 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:51 am

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personally, I rather add Bell and have him blow up but he's being incredibly hard-headed.
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Post Post #7797 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:53 am

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In post 7796, Nero Cain wrote:personally, I rather add Bell and have him blow up but he's being incredibly hard-headed.
Probably bc he's scum but I think my plan works unless we neighborize the dead guy.
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Post Post #7798 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:54 am

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Iunno, I'm not being very hard headed from my POV. I'm genuinely saying I'm town here. I don't think it's in either of our interests for me to actually xplode instead of just taking myself off the chopping block by convincing you that this is the case.
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Post Post #7799 (ISO) » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:54 am

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Have you ever had someone be this insistent about being town and ending up flipping scum before?
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