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[VP Baltar]

What does the acronym stand for? I'm unfamiliar

[Infinity 324]

Want-it-more

[DkKoba]

that makes 0 sense but ok

[Andresvmb]

I’m sorry for being low activity I’ll pick this up soon. I’ve been busy. Consider me VLA until Monday.

[Infinity 324]

that makes 0 sense but ok

[Almost50]

I claim I was desperate for attention, I am on mobile now but when am on desktop I will analyze reactions.

VOTE: DGB

And I don't care if you're revealed IC on demand. Drawing a PR claim "for fun" is no way to play a Mafia game.

That's no way to treat your mason!

Nice try, but READ what I said.

I don't care if you're revealed IC on demand

, so much less if you fake-claimed a Mason.

[DrippingGoofball]

Y SO SERIUS

[Almost50]

DGB’s reaction test feels towny

VOTE: VP baltar

I hate the word "feels" so much I do NOT subscribe to it AT ALL.

Let's talk FACTS and logic. Why OUT a TPR? Why even RISK outing one so early? DGB isn't a noob, you know. She's a veteran, and she knew all along a CC was more likely than not.

Now lt's assume she

is

a Mason as she claims. That was extremely a selfish move still. Scum now have the option to shoot her or you (or maybe her Mason buddy if they can deduce that) and that's ASSUMING she is a Mason indeed. How's a protective supposed to decide whom to protect?

[DrippingGoofball]

A50, I claimed mason with YOU,

[Almost50]

I didn't read it like that, "Your Mason" just didn't register as "Your Mason BUDDY" in my mind (and it's OBVIOUSLY because w're NOT masons together), but whatever.

UNVOTE:

Let me see who else thinks what

[Infinity 324]

DGB’s reaction test feels towny

VOTE: VP baltar

I hate the word "feels" so much I do NOT subscribe to it AT ALL.

Let's talk FACTS and logic. Why OUT a TPR? Why even RISK outing one so early? DGB isn't a noob, you know. She's a veteran, and she knew all along a CC was more likely than not.

Now lt's assume she

is

a Mason as she claims. That was extremely a selfish move still. Scum now have the option to shoot her or you (or maybe her Mason buddy if they can deduce that) and that's ASSUMING she is a Mason indeed. How's a protective supposed to decide whom to protect?

I don’t think she’s a mason. I think town with low motivation is much more likely to do a (bad) play that shakes things up as opposed to scum doing some big brained gambit. I don’t really care what your opinion of feels are, but the only times I’ve ever caught scum is when their emotions didn’t line up with their actions. That’s how I scumhunt.

[VP Baltar]

I really don't get this "town with low motivation" thing or why you're assigning that status to DGB.

[Infinity 324]

She hasn't been super active

[VP Baltar]

She hasn't been super active

She's been active at times, and besides, I don't see much outside of normal DGB play. I would suspect she has been reading along and posted less when there wasn't much interesting going on (which definitely happened D1).

Idk, seems like you're talking about something you don't have much insight into.

[Infinity 324]

Idk I guess I made the assumption that since wasn’t posting and interacting a ton in the thread she wasn’t super motivated to win? Definitely have seen DGB be way more active than she’s been

[DrippingGoofball]

Meta is rubbish, kids.

[Marky Mark]

Evening all, another day and more excuses from me for not being as active as I'd like to - got called into work to sort out some IT dramas, which ended up consuming most of my day.

So I thought DGB was coasting hard yesterday and trying a bit too hard to look like chummy town. The fakeclaim on infinity is not something I would see newb-scum doing, but for an experienced player I could see it coming from either alignment.

I was not willing to eliminate DkKoba yesterday, but today, I might.

What has changed from your POV - you seemed pretty against this yesterday

[Marky Mark]

I claim I was desperate for attention, I am on mobile now but when am on desktop I will analyze reactions.

VOTE: DGB

And I don't care if you're revealed IC on demand. Drawing a PR claim "for fun" is no way to play a Mafia game.

On the other hand, while DGB is a SR for me, the reasons behind this vote feel thin - it's a borderline policy vote.

[Marky Mark]

The people on the gerain wagon not even bothering looking on the wagon and going straight for me esp when the logic was that gerain was my partner so imma need some explanations there

Is this in reference to DGB? I can't think of anyone else who is voting you or openly SRing you at the moment who wasn't on your wagon when it was at its peak late D1.

[Marky Mark]

Just been looking through the votecounts from the end of D1

Geraint wagon was

Gamma Emerald

, DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar, Infinity 324, Tayl0r Swift, Almost50, Marky Mark

I would count FL on this too as he said in 2070 that he was ok with the elim and didnt give any preferred alternatives. I would also count JV as he was in the same situation as me ie preferred DK elim but was content to hammer geraint

Of the above, JacksonVirgo, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Marky Mark, Tayl0r Swift were on DK wagon at its peak ie they wanted DK as primary elim choice

This leaves

Gamma

, DGB, VP, Infinity, A50, FL who were first-choice geraint voters

Clearly, there's more to catching scum than reading votecounts, but I think it's a useful piece of the puzzle to be aware of. I mean, geraint was a low-info nullish slot, so I don't think the arguments used to justify votes on him were necessarily flawed, but I reckon choosing a null low-info slot as a first choice elim (rather than as a compromise, which later happened) is moderately opportunistic. In other words, I don't think everyone on this wagon were scum, but I can see scum getting on board to ensure it got pushed through as the primary choice

[Infinity 324]

Given that I was the primary alternative to the gerain wagon, I'm not sure scum are more or less likely to be on the wagon fmpov. A town elim would've gone through no matter what. Koba flipping scum might change that but yeah.

[Marky Mark]

So I am going to try and go with my head, not my heart here and park my DK suspicions for the time being. I would be surprised if there was not at least one scum in the pool of people who voted geraint as their primary choice D1.

But to help the game along, if people are expecting me to claim if I get closer to being eliminated I am not going to

Read my sig

Oh this is scum alright.

VOTE: DGB is where I'm at right now - in addition to the reasons I've already articulated, I think the above was a stretch as the non-claim was reasonably inline with typical geraint play ie was NAI, so this felt like a stretch at the time and justification in hindsight (this is massively wifomy ofc, but I would give her the credit that she would know how players with playstyles like geraint tend to behave)

I'm interested to hear more from her and will be keeping an eye on Infinity and A50 too

-- Crosspost with infinity: arguably DK wagon was at E-2 so that was probably a more plasuible alternative, but yeah, I can see how that would make sense in terms of town!you

[Marky Mark]

To elaborate/clarify on the first para of my above post, I mean for the time being I am going to try and focus on my SRs who are also in the pool of primary geraint voters as this seems objectively more likely to lead to fruits

[Infinity 324]

I always think outside the box (some call it moon!logic). Let's say scum have a Role Cop, and they targeted Infinity. They now know that this is an Investigative role, so why nor sacrifice one of them in exchange of eliminating the Investigative? Uncommon and unlikely, but possible non-the-less

Hmm, I'm suspicious of A50's uncertainty about the claim just based off this. @A50, did you think my reaction to the claim was towny? Or was there another reason you weren't sure about the guilty?

[VP Baltar]

Ok, so yeah, the math on infinity's claim is that he was at L-3 when he claimed. That seems exceptionally antsy when the threshold today is L-6 and I had intentionally avoided not voting there. I really don't get how you as town yesterday walked right up to the razor's edge (think you were L-2 yday with people saying they'd be willing to elim you) and not claim, but then claim today quite early when you think there is a guilty on you. It was a serious "flinch too early" if you're town.