Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea this really is all my fault

[DrippingGoofball]

I checked Alisae and e came up town.

[DrippingGoofball]

yea this really is all my fault

Do you want to do a post mortem?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well that's the godfather then

i take 100% responsibility for this town loss

VOTE: alisae

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i fake-claimed doctor lover mason with the mafia godfather because I'm an idiot apparently

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mea Maxima Culpa

[DrippingGoofball]

oh this is gonna be lit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's actually somewhat crazy

[DrippingGoofball]

It's a masterpiece.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i wouldnt shoot peta i was like 100% convinced it was him up until like 5 minutes ago when he turned up dead..

[DrippingGoofball]

Now I'm going to have to read Alisae's posts... it's going to be a punishment.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Peta's assessment of Alisae vs me is correct. Alisae has much better positioning on both flipped scum than me. But that's because Alisae is a mafia godfather and I'm just an idiot without a clue :/

[Alisae]

Alright well it seems like I'm at the disadvantage here.
VOTE: Pooky

I'm going to need some time to actually write up a case.

[DrippingGoofball]

I will wait.

[Alisae]

Thank you

[Alisae]

Day 1 - Scum identified that Taylor was their traitor.

I don't think D1 is actually that relevant to proving Pooky is scum.
During D1 a lot didn't really happen that involved Pooky until the Deathy was actually revealed.

There is something that I caught on Day 4 which Bell posted.
The post is really huge, its 1417 if you want to take a look for it yourself, but in this post, posts in a spoiler to taylor who is a traitor

#1094: Pinged.
#1098: Okay.
#1099: Okay?
#1111: You sound like there's a

terrorist

with a gun to your head forcing you to play in 12 games just out of frame or something.
#1113: I don't!
#1125: Sure.
#1135: Wut? We went to a Halloween pumpkin tour thing. It was very pretty. My grandpa said his favorite part was the pumpkin 'Dinasnores.' which is my new favorite made up word.
#1214: What about the last few pages wasn't fun? I had fun.

This is important because

if scum's team composition is just 3 suicide bombers and 1 traitor rolecop, then this is the best proof we have of this because this is Bell telling Taylor exactly what scum has.

This would mean that the scumteam already found their tratior.

So with this in mind, you could technically argue that this is Pooky defending Taylor. This was after the Deathy was revealed

i can actually see taylor doing that because she's a massive shitposting troll

i find it less likely she does it when she's an actual traitor

I feel like Labelling Taylor as a troll is not a bad way to protect your traitor?
What I feel like makes it good is it acts as a way to distance from your partner if they die but also its really easy for scum to fake this reasoning to townread someone.
I feel like its really easy to label someone you think is a troll as town and I feel like thats what he's banking on.
Also apparently somewhere later Pooky apparently accused Taylor of crumbing to them.
At this point they just want to distance themselves from Taylor because they know Taylor is going to die.
They don't ever actually vote Taylor though.

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Day 2/Setup Spec - Pooky's Mason Lover play and how his claim evolves in general.

I think this is where things start to get really bad for Pooky.
There was another townie (Nahdia) who at the time was suspecting Pooky.
Pooky I feel like was mostly in a town/nullish spot, I don't think he was really set up for late game.
And it gets even worse when Cabd and Something_Smart come out as masons. I want to note that Cabd's exactly claim was that he was masons with Something_Smart and that

he is a miller novice vig

.

I was buddying Pooky around the time he makes this post. I think I said somewhere that I wanted a neighborhood with him.
Pooky probably feels really pressured to make a play and take a risks given if he feels like he doesn't, he might end up on the chopping block. Hence why he does this

Alisae should we claim too ? :3

and he claims Lover Doctor Masons.
Now, this is bullshit. We don't need to talk about the Lover and Mason parts. Its a really good claim to use to not get investigated for awhile.
But I do want to talk about the doctor part, because by making this exact claim, he locks himself into claiming doctor if he wants to fakeclaim some kind of PR.
So with that said, this is justification for a fake action and I find this justification to be really strange and sticks out to me.

We debated between you and Ffery for a while and decided to pick you because we thought the scum team would think Ffery would draw protection.

This is a really bad mindset for a doctor to actually have.
N1 its better to play as if scum don't know you exist since you don't have any evidence to prove that you do exist.
This line of reasoning also sticks out to me because Syr was shot N1.
Why this sticks out to me is because his reasoning for targetting Tammy was to play around scum playing around a doctor, but the night kill feels like it was set up to support this narative.

Let's fast foward a bit to his actual claim which is here:

pool should be me, alisae, pooky

actually Alisae is conf-town.

I protected Alisae last night - so you have to be the scum

This is actually huge because this is a huge mistake for several reasons.
Let's start with some basic setup spec. Let's say I'm a godfather and Pooky actually is a doctor.

Doctor
Lover Mason Miller
Lover Mason 1-shot Vig (I don't remember if Novice was actually a modifer that Cabd had but I do know he likes fakeclaiming novice).
Sane Cop
Insane Cop
Paranoid Cop
Naive Cop
(And let's remember that any of these cops can become confirmed town as soon as they kill the traitor).

VS

Rolecop Traitor
suicide bomber
suicide bomber
Godfather

An ungated doctor is one of the strongest roles you can have in a mafia game. You can essentially deny scum from killing 1 individual until they deal with you.
The Doctor just seems like it has too much power in the setup and just feels like it doesn't need to exist.
I also think that because of suicide bombers in the game (which apparently invalidate the doctor according to Pooky), suicide bomber vs protection interactions weren't planned. We'll never be able to know for sure because FakeGod didn't post how the suicide bombers actually function.
What also doesn't make sense is why the Doctor is ungated by the Vig is gated.

I feel like with all of these reasons above, it doesn't make sense for Pooky's role to co-exist within the setup.
The way he has to make this claim work is to prove it exists.

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The No Kill

A wise bear once said

scum no-kill out of desperation to create a claim they need

Generally, when you want to no kill as scum there is a reason for it and there is something you want to do with it.

This is Pooky's best opportunity to make his doctor claim look real because the only player thats in the deathy that's alive is Tammy and there is a ton of motivation to just keep protecting Tammy. Shooting around Tammy doesn't really play out for him that well in the long run. It also just doesn't make sense to kill me because at this point in time I'm still his mason lover buddy.
I think it would be believable to lie about protecting me to prove yourself because its very believable to expect me to get shot at Night 4 due to the amount of thread presence I commanded.

The only problem with this play is that here he confirms he's an ungated doctor. The only reason to believe that he's an ungated doctor was that he protected me, but DGB, you should know that by now that one of us no killed.

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Nahdia Kill

I think both of us would want to kill Nahdia here.
I think there is more reason for Pooky to want to get Nahdia out of the game as soon as possible because before D5 ended, Nahdia thought that Pooky was scum.
That's all I really have for this.

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Pooky's Day 6

Pooky's plan at the start of Day 6 was simple.
He presents that he should be the flip to prove that he did in fact protect me and he self-votes and I also vote him.

peta take care of alisae get mwb tomm

VOTE: pooky

Around this point he is insisting that he selfs.

This seems fine but this is something that I find to be really strange.
When I start consolidating votes onto Midway to force Midway.

Pooky I have a brilliant idea.
Let's force Midway to vote you
VOTE: Midway

VOTE: Midway

I'm ready my love

And I force Midway to vote him.

VOTE: Pooky
fine...

VOTE: Pooky

If Pooky was okay with dieing, why doesn't he ever move his vote off Midway?

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Why does Pooky pick this F3

I feel like Pooky's best chance of winning this game is through you.
I think its really apparent that our playstyles don't vibe with each other and Pooky knows you way better then I do.
I feel like what his goal in this F3 is going to be is he is going to argue that I'm in the better position and because I'm in the better position I'm scum for creating this LyLo.
And to an extent, he's right. This IS my best F3 to win if I'm scum. I think if it was me vs Peta it would be a lot harder for me to win then it would be me vs Pooky.
But with that said, I still think its easier for Pooky to convince you to vote me then it is for me to convince you to vote Pooky.

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The main reasons why Pooky is scum boils down to this.
- His defense of taylor makes sense for scum to make in his position
- He felt pressured to make a play when he learned that he had to deal with a pair of masons as well as a bunch of cops that he cannot discredit. He convinces me to claim mason lovers with him so he can go a few nights without being investigated.
- The N1 kill in particular makes it feel like Pooky is setting up for a play due to Pooky's explanation of his N1 protect and what actually happened.
- An ungated doctor makes no sense to actually be in the setup. It's just too strong and doesn't match up with the fact that the vig is gated.
- Because he already claimed doctor, he feels obligated to prove it so he opts to no kill.
- Pooky has a lot of reason to want Nahdia dead.
- Pooky's day 5 play is weird because he presents a plan but does not go through with it when given the opportunity to do so.
- Pooky likely wants to bring me into this F3 because it's more likely that he'll be able to convince you to vote me then I will be able to convince you to vote Pooky.

[DrippingGoofball]

Good job. You convinced me.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am ready to hammer Pooky, but I want to sleep on it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im doctor

if i wasnt doctor you would not be alive.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its ok dgb this loss is more on me than you.

let me know if theres something you need answered.

[DrippingGoofball]

In case you're curious, Alisae...

My comments and interactions yester-gameday were completely insincere and totally strategic. My reasons for thinking Pooky was the last scum were less convincing than yours in the big post you just laid out, but that's where I was. It was in the interest of my own survival to make Pooky feel that I would be solidly in his corner, and prejudiced against you, who was the least confirmed player.

[DrippingGoofball]

its ok dgb this loss is more on me than you.

That's for sure!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

DGB do you understand that if I'm a suicide bomber as Alisae says - it would make no sense for me to claim doctor at F6 with a confirmed sane mason cop because this means the sane mason cop will just find me and I can't ever kill the sane mason cop right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If Pooky was okay with dieing, why doesn't he ever move his vote off Midway?

I mean you said you were ok with dying yesterday too and you never even voted yourself. I said to Peta that I was ready to die when he was convinced my solve was correct.

Which apparently it's shit so now I have to try-hard to make it up to mwb