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[Marky Mark]

Whatever thoughts you have. Right now I'm thinking about how scum would be behaving in a gamestate like this. I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place. That would point me toward you being scum. But I could be wrong and I wanna know what you think.

I genuinely think the opposite case may be true where there are 1-2 scum coasting in the background and allowing the town to dismantle itself. DGB/A50 would be prime examples of this. N_M I guess could kinda fit in that bracket as well, although that slot is just null for me bc I don't know how to read it

[Marky Mark]

Part of it was you bringing up the gerain tunnel again. It makes perfect sense as a scum tunnel because there wasn't really anything to trigger it and he was going after an easy target. Also his view that you and I are controlling the gamestate doesn't match up with his confidence in e.g. 2202, 2268, and 2271. It reminded me of when in haunted village I asked isis what her view of the gamestate was and she said "Scum are probably lurking but I'm gonna hammer noraa anyway". I feel like scum (esp. stronger scum) are likely to pretend they have a coherent view of the gamestate but it doesn't really make sense. Sometimes I just get strong scumvibes after I engage with people and they're usually right. I think town is more likely to do the think where you bounce reads off each other/float ideas and it feels natural whereas VP feels like he's just trying to convince me.

This got me thinking and looking back through VP's day 1 posts ref Geraint and N_M

Just thinking this though - VP says in 891 that he's ok with N_M as a last resort yeet (ie for low activity), but seems to be making the case on geraint being actively scummy (eg 1180)throughout the day, although he acknowledges in 474 N_M's point that geraint was just being his usual self (ie his lurking is nullish/NAI)

This just makes me scratch my head on why he found geraint actively scummy as opposed to simply in the nullish low-info bracket like n_m (it is very possible that he has explained this somewhere and I have missed it)

Like I also found geraint scummy initially, but then when other players explained that was par for him I went and read his gamesd and moved him to the null/low-info bin so I'm just curious why VP kept on active scumreading him in contrast to someone like n_m

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah VOTE: vp

[Marky Mark]

yeah VOTE: vp

I mean the immediate vote from Taylor off the back of my post is making me feel uneasy here (esp as she eaflier called me oblivious town). I still think DGB / A50 have a greater chance of being scum in the scheme of things but would like to hear a response from VP

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah VOTE: vp

I mean the immediate vote from Taylor off the back of my post is making me feel uneasy here (esp as she eaflier called me oblivious town). I still think DGB / A50 have a greater chance of being scum in the scheme of things but would like to hear a response from VP

i mean if you want my justification look back two pages.

[VP Baltar]

This just makes me scratch my head on why he found geraint actively scummy as opposed to simply in the nullish low-info bracket like n_m (it is very possible that he has explained this somewhere and I have missed it)

I don't remember if I explained it before, but very happy to now. Some of what bugged me about geraintm was that a) his postings were much more on the IIoA side of things. I didn't feel like he was genuinely scumhunting. b) he didnt really respond to pressure at all. It felt like he was ignoring my calls for his yeet, which is something I might do if I was scum being low activity. Try to wait it out.

[DrippingGoofball]

1-2 scum coasting in the background and allowing the town to dismantle itself. DGB/A50 would be prime examples of this.

This is the confbias again, you think of a bad thing and then you auto-claim I do it.

How was I coasting in the background when I was the most constant vote on geraint? Yes I wasn't around much at the beginning because of a publishing deadline that has now passed and as you can see I am very present and active.

[Tayl0r Swift]

This just makes me scratch my head on why he found geraint actively scummy as opposed to simply in the nullish low-info bracket like n_m (it is very possible that he has explained this somewhere and I have missed it)

I don't remember if I explained it before, but very happy to now. Some of what bugged me about geraintm was that a) his postings were much more on the IIoA side of things. I didn't feel like he was genuinely scumhunting. b) he didnt really respond to pressure at all. It felt like he was ignoring my calls for his yeet, which is something I might do if I was scum being low activity. Try to wait it out.

but i told you that it was NAI for gerain. and you said prove me wrong by going there, which town eventually did. you dont seem to have eaten humble pie at all.

[VP Baltar]

Like I also found geraint scummy initially, but then when other players explained that was par for him I went and read his gamesd and moved him to the null/low-info bin so I'm just curious why VP kept on active scumreading him in contrast to someone like n_m

I would also say that I don't overthink D1 too much. If I have a twinge on someone, I will follow through. We learn more by getting a yeet done than agonizing about it forever necessarily. I don't think there was a huge distinction between NM and geraint necessarily. but I'll yeet where it feels more scummy.

[VP Baltar]

but i told you that it was NAI for gerain. and you said prove me wrong by going there, which town eventually did. you dont seem to have eaten humble pie at all.

lol, you want me to flog myself?

[Tayl0r Swift]

but i told you that it was NAI for gerain. and you said prove me wrong by going there, which town eventually did. you dont seem to have eaten humble pie at all.

lol, you want me to flog myself?

itd be neat if you took it as a reason to trust me rather than think im scummy at the very least.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we’ve been going in circles.

[VP Baltar]

trust me

I will trust you when you earn it. We are defintiely not in alignment in our reads, which is probably the foundation of trust in this game, right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

trust me

I will trust you when you earn it. We are defintiely not in alignment in our reads, which is probably the foundation of trust in this game, right?

true but when ive tried to engage with you and figure out why we are in opposition you wind up saying im misrepping you and arguing in bad faith. can i get a readlist from you?

[VP Baltar]

I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place.

Might surprise you that I agree with this.

I do think you should take another look at Taylor here. Her play is grimy in terms of bad intentions imo.

Part of me wants Jackson to be scum, but they also post some pretty towny things so I'm having a harder time with that.

I think FL and Koba are quite town given how transparent they are, but I'm also paranoid I could be getting duped.

I think your claim is pretty suss in an unforced error way.

DGB could be smart scum here. She has fooled me before. But overall, my reads have been aligning with hers, so I'm either way off base or we are both town.

Andres was feeling more towny to me EOD D1, but I'm waiting for him to weigh in.

A50 is pretty much wallpaper up until this point, but I wasn't really pinged by zdenek.

N_M is a blank slate.

I have tomorrow off and plan to read some of those bullish reads more in-depth.

[Tayl0r Swift]

thats a lot of fence-sitting though. it seems that myself and infinity are your top scumreads? you seem null, paranoid, or fence-sitty on: jackson, fl, koba, dgb, anres, a50, nm. but if i were to organize this, i think it would look something like
{FL, Koba, you}
{DGB, andres}
{A50, NM, jackson}
{me (taylor), infinity}

mark wasnt even on that list but iirc mark is a scumread of yours?

[Marky Mark]

yeah VOTE: vp

I mean the immediate vote from Taylor off the back of my post is making me feel uneasy here (esp as she eaflier called me oblivious town). I still think DGB / A50 have a greater chance of being scum in the scheme of things but would like to hear a response from VP

i mean if you want my justification look back two pages.

Like I get that you were already SRing him, it just seemed quite quick to upgrade that to a vote off the back of what I'd mused, without waiting to hear VP's explanation first

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh its more that i meant to vote after hearing from infinity but i forgot, your post reminded me

[Marky Mark]

This just makes me scratch my head on why he found geraint actively scummy as opposed to simply in the nullish low-info bracket like n_m (it is very possible that he has explained this somewhere and I have missed it)

I don't remember if I explained it before, but very happy to now. Some of what bugged me about geraintm was that a) his postings were much more on the IIoA side of things. I didn't feel like he was genuinely scumhunting. b) he didnt really respond to pressure at all. It felt like he was ignoring my calls for his yeet, which is something I might do if I was scum being low activity. Try to wait it out.

Thanks for explaining - I agree that he was displaying the behaviours you mentioned, it just felt to me like this had been pointed out by others (N_M, taylor) to be reasonably NAI

[Marky Mark]

1-2 scum coasting in the background and allowing the town to dismantle itself. DGB/A50 would be prime examples of this.

This is the confbias again, you think of a bad thing and then you auto-claim I do it.

How was I coasting in the background when I was the most constant vote on geraint? Yes I wasn't around much at the beginning because of a publishing deadline that has now passed and as you can see I am very present and active.

I agree you're definitely way more active today and my gutfeel that you're lurking is somewhat subjective so I get that its harder to quantify, as opposed to other things I SR you for like your disparity of reads on geraint and N_M

I also get that you had irl stuff on d1 and I'm not thinking primarily in terms of postcount #s but more in terms of who was actively driving the game forward and posting new scrutiny/analysis. Eg Andres is a great example of a player whose postcount isn't that high but is definitely not coasting (based on his D1 play)

[Flavor Leaf]

taylor, dgb vs vp, Marky Mark

where is the scum adding pressure, and could it be multiple?

I will say I really can't see VP as scum, they've lined up with me multiple times in ways I haven't really felt as pocketing. I feel like it can look like pocketing, but I haven't felt it, which I understand if that's a weird concept, but I genuinely don't feel like they are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can't say Marky is as high up as he used to be, but if he's town, I believe scum set that up on purpose.

[VP Baltar]

mark wasnt even on that list but iirc mark is a scumread of yours?

I never said that.

I mean, I'm really not a readslist person. There are a couple reasons for that. First, I'll fully reevaluate any read based on evidence I trust. I try to have a flexible mind and be open about things...which is maybe something scum exploit I guess. The second reason I don't like to readslist is because I don't like doing it in my scum game. That's maybe not great for town all the time, but I do play to win regardless of alignment.

[Tayl0r Swift]

FL whats your read on me?

[VP Baltar]

I think mark is probably town here, if I wasn't clear.