Death Curse

[Noraa]

I think Flea's more likely than Adorable. Adorable was my backup but yeah go Titus today. That ones the safest way to go atm imo.

[Noraa]

T^T Mush where has u been? dis town been a train wreck since u left

[shellyc]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

trust my reads and ignore queen mush

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Also, for the record, Tayl0r is backup because Pooky refused to help, Tayl0r jumped in both feet without even questioning. In this setup, in this gamestate, scum could not afford to refuse or even put off my wishes until sufficient townies had done so. Fidget refusing to scumcase Gloria was the impetus needed for scum to start refusing me, and Fidget was clearly on a different train of thought from Pooky. Titus was just following the Fidget train -- "why scumcase a townread of mine". I'd have accepted "I don't have the time" better than that.

That isn't a black mark on Taylor overall, but it gives Pooky tremendous townpoints and she gets absolutely fuck all out of the deal.

[Noraa]

So Mush you believe the order we poe down to win the game is Titus -> DGB -> Adorable -> Taylor?

[Noraa]

I personally still believe Flea is more likely than Adorable. Flea is way scummier than adorable imo.

[Noraa]

Im thinking more like Titus -> DGB -> Flea -> Adorable is the game winning Poe

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Noraa, Adorable beats Flea because Flea doesn't look like scum flailing when I bear down with the hobnailed boots like Adorable does. Flea has a sarcastic, joking tone, and I felt the "chaotic gods" thing was a detail scum wouldn't think to throw into that reply to my rebuke -- that felt like a townie legitimately having fun.

Adorable, meanwhile, doesn't have any idea what she looks like from the outside. Sure, neither do town. But town have a stubbornness when you present them with an impossible request based on their own play that is seemingly simple to solve: they make assumptions, based on what they see reading their own posts, and they just thrust all of that on everyone else's read of their posts -- projection, basically. Scum don't have that. Scum have a deep lacking in awareness of what their posts look like when /fully/ uninformed. Adorable doesn't strike me as particularly well-versed in scumplay, and Adorable's play has been bang-on-the-dot for scum under pressure: artificial sounding rationalizations, clunky and machine-like language around emotionally driven play, etc.

And then asking for any sort of hint given the wording and tone I was putting out there? That was desperation.

Compare Gloria -- it was an incorrect read of the situation, but immediately "goddamn it there's no hope you're a monster". No attempt at getting anything out of me that would change my mind, she knew what was up -- that's TOWN desperation in this situation, it looks hopeless, I'm telling everyone off, I'm leaning hard, I'm giving no ground, WHAT PRECISELY can be done? Nothing but griping and hoping you can get town back on the rails after a green hit.

Adorable... did not have that.

[Noraa]

Adorable's very scummy some times, I agree. But I'm starting to think its her play style. Also her play the past few days along with all that stuff when Fred was hammered convinced me that she was definitely better than Flea in terms of scumminess

[Fidget]

Mush, I didn't even realize you wanted me to scumcase Gloria until Flea pointed it out, haha. Sorry for giving Titus an "out", but I'm 95% sure she'd have refused anyway.

Interactions today. Not defensive, seems genuine, still unsure of me (not trying to buddy up or anything) Seemsgood.

what parts are genuine in fidget?
didn't you just say being "unsure" is a scumtell on the last page?

Okay, Shelley was trying to get Fidget scrolled.

I was trying to get her scrolled harder, I bet.

I feel like I'm constantly flirting with potentially getting scrolled this game. Although a big part of that was me placing my bets on shelly being scum.

Pedit: I really want the solve to be completely within Titus/DGB/Flea/Adorbs, but I kinda don't think it is. I feel extremely strongly that Titus is scum, but Flea is half that strength, and DGB weaker based off of associatives with the first two.

At the same time I'm running out of other places to look.

[Fidget]

I suppose a pretty simple answer is that scum!DGB has mostly lost, so the best she can do is hard bus Titus, pray that we kill off other people while she keeps SRing her, and then maybe get some amount of towncred off the flip down the line.

[Noraa]

Im off for the night. Before you pass the scroll mush and leave us to go to dead thread, I'd like if you can give us a clear sense of direction. I feel like I'm on the right path but people dont believe in my reads much due to them being ... a bit wonky and also due to my paranoia. You were a town leader to us and people listened and I want to hear what you have to say - like an entire full ordering. I'm worried about what will happen to this town without you - legitimately I am worried about how town is going to function without it's heart. I will carry ur legacy on and ur reads as well

Also I'll miss u cuz u believed in me the most, alongside Gloria

Also, Mush is my paranoia on Murder correct or wrong? <- very troubled over this specifically

T^T I kinda understand why Chara's Folly seemed that dramatic now. Pooky can I join Drama club too?

[MURDERCAT]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

trust my reads and ignore queen mush

Shush you

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Disagree, Noraa. If I felt it was a redder slot than Titus or DGB I'd throw the vote down right now to show it, but look, put it like this, yeah?

Here's your unordered townbloc. Yes, it is yours. It is everyone's.
Noraa, Pooky, Bell, UNOwen, MURDERCAT, Gloria, me.

Here's what's left over.
Fidget, Flea, Tayl0r, Adorable, Titus, DGB.

50% of that remainder MUST be town. Fidget's obvtowning at this point, let's take that slot out of there.
Flea, Tayl0r, Adorable, Titus, DGB.

Okay, still 40% of the remainder has to be town. Let's take the scummy slots and separate them out, they're functionally solved.
Titus, DGB.

Leaves us with 3 "maybe"s.
Tayl0r, Adorable, Flea.

We /STILL/ have a 66% chance of hitting town in there. We have to break it down, to prioritize somehow. So, how do I rank these slots? Like this (percentage is strength of my read):
Adorable (60% scum)
Tayl0r (40% scum)
Flea (35% scum)

Now let's add in our two definite scum there.

Titus (90% scum)
DGB (90% scum)
Adorable (60% scum)
Tayl0r (40% scum)
Flea (35% scum)

So I'm not going to put my money where my mouth is on Adorable. Town gets /WAY/ ahead of the game if we smash red today, so I'm going to smash the definite red. But Adorable is a /really/ strong contender.

I'm going to all this effort because if you end up with the scroll next dayphase, you need to consider who you hit. It's the difference between a Day 4 town-win and scum potentially re-entering the townbloc. If /everyone in town/ agrees on a POE, scum WIFOM stops working, period. It doesn't matter who gets the scroll, the game will solve itself or it won't and scum has no more bearing on the outcome except for /who/ is doing the cursing. This is ideal. It means that town can reframe if they're missing shots and identify scum in the townbloc WITHOUT SCUM INFLUENCING THOSE DECISIONS, because there is no chance of scum fake-clearing a buddy (like seems to have nearly worked for Adorable).

[Noraa]

Titus is the scroll today. Definitely want to hit red today so I 10000% agree with that.

I dont think we ever scroll Adorable or Flea before Titus and DGB. Im saying that I prefer a Flea lim over Adorable bc Flea is scummier. Adorbs is more newbie vibes honestly.

[Noraa]

ok sleep time.

[DrippingGoofball]

I suppose a pretty simple answer is that scum!DGB has mostly lost, so the best she can do is hard bus Titus, pray that we kill off other people while she keeps SRing her, and then maybe get some amount of towncred off the flip down the line.

Give me the scroll and Titus is getting it in my next post. I'm willing to be sacrificed.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

DGB, nice try. It's pass 2, no power for you. Props for effort, though. Titus is a better slot for town to hit right here and right now, I'm not going to take the risk of playing Asshole Genie, no matter how much fun I'd have.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's pass 2, no power for you.

???

[DrippingGoofball]

Looks like I need to read rules or sum'thin' Blllllaaaaargh

[MURDERCAT]

I suppose a pretty simple answer is that scum!DGB has mostly lost, so the best she can do is hard bus Titus, pray that we kill off other people while she keeps SRing her, and then maybe get some amount of towncred off the flip down the line.

Give me the scroll and Titus is getting it in my next post. I'm willing to be sacrificed.

I don't understand this post

[DrippingGoofball]

I read the rules like three times and I've been in this game for days and I still have no idea how the mechanics of the game work. Sometimes you vote to yeet and sometimes a player that got yeeted decides who gets it next?

[Tayl0r Swift]

so basically its a nightless setup, and each day you vote one person who gets cursed but they can pass the curse on, and that person can pass the curse on. a total of 3 people die each day phase. one chosen by majority, two chosen by the prior scrollholders. then you go to the next dayphase and vote again.

[Tayl0r Swift]

vote/scroll/scroll
vote/scroll/scroll
and so on.

[DrippingGoofball]

That's what I thought... I don't know why MUSH is saying I can't get the scroll - eventually - and carry Titus with me to the dead thread.