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[Flavor Leaf]

The slip will never get off of my mind.

Can you explain the slip to me like I'm 5?

All I saw was Andres saying Koba is town, and he's been calling Koba town all game. Didn't read like a slip to me

reading someone as town, and knowing someone is town are 2 different things.

Andres acted like he KNEW Koba was town specifically after I claimed, and then he used misunderstanding of the role as his explanation.

If he is scum, that is by far the best defense he could have used. I feel like that misunderstanding part was fake, and he slipped that he knew Koba was town, if that makes sense.

[Almost50]

VP is obvscum please vote him everyone

Are you as confident as you were on Prof and Johnny in the previous game?

[VP Baltar]

(at least he isn't FoSing the whole game and the players of neighboring games too!!)

That's not remotely what is happening tho....

(Also, happy cake day)

[VP Baltar]

The slip will never get off of my mind.

Can you explain the slip to me like I'm 5?

All I saw was Andres saying Koba is town, and he's been calling Koba town all game. Didn't read like a slip to me

reading someone as town, and knowing someone is town are 2 different things.

Andres acted like he KNEW Koba was town specifically after I claimed, and then he used misunderstanding of the role as his explanation.

If he is scum, that is by far the best defense he could have used. I feel like that misunderstanding part was fake, and he slipped that he knew Koba was town, if that makes sense.

Ok I guess I see where you are coming from.

FN is kind of a weird role though. I say this having just been one in my recently finished game. I had to look up that very issue about whether the action fails if it targets scum.

It might be a slip, but it also might be a misunderstanding. Linking it to misreading the wiki is different from what I was thinking though

[Marky Mark]

Evening all

i mean theyre pretty much conftown based on claims.

That looks even worse, the conftowns are conftowns, he has no actual reads, then DGB-DEATH-TUNNEL

Let me try and get across where my reads are at RN

Conftown{FL, Koba}
Could well be town{JV}
Middling{VP, Taylor} | Low-info {N_M}
Potentially scummy{A50, Andres, Infinity} - A50 is more gutfeel here based on posting style, the other two are more based on tangible things they've said/done
Scummy{DGB}

Infinity is a special case where due to PR mechanics it just does not make sense to elim him today

Conftowning the two most vocal players

Everything else is a wash

DGB scum wah wah wah wah wah

I love the initiative of trying to shade me based on your original understanding of my DK/FL reads and then shading me from a different angle when it was pointed out to you that you'd misunderstood my reason

You accuse me of confbias but then have literally tried to interpret multiple explanations of the same read here to make them look scummy regardless

[Marky Mark]

My vote is on Marky Mark isn't budging and I will not join any of the hundreds of flaccid failwagons that are going to pop up.

Marky Mark is scum and probably and Iecerint alt.

I literally have no idea who Icerint is other than the context in this thread. Your assertion that I have no reads is also clearly false; you are welcome to check my ISO to see this for yourself

[Almost50]

(at least he isn't FoSing the whole game and the players of neighboring games too!!)

That's not remotely what is happening tho....

(Also, happy cake day)

Thanks

As for the the "FoSing everyone" it wasn't meant to be taken literally, and not everyone is doing it either. But if you do a quick reread of the day you'd see most players have had more suspects than the game possibly has scum, and the majority are either unfounded accusations or weak cases at best.

[Marky Mark]

A50, your nonvoting is starting to bug me actually.

At least my vote is static. Everyone else has vote-hopped like a dozen times which is confusing the hell out of me. I dare anyone to use "X wagon was getting resisted which indicates they're scum" as an argument in this game, because EVERYONE'S wagon is/had been resisted fiercely.

By post content; everyone looks more townie than scummy to me. By VCA though; everyone looks more scummy than townie.

If I am to sheep someone it'd be N_M (at least he isn't FoSing the whole game and the players of neighboring games too!!)

I get that excessive vote-hopping isn't helpful as it makes it hard to see the patterns when going back over things later on but I think its helpful to declare intent. I've seen your posts with some of your key TRs and I've seen your pushback on me pushing you, but it would also be good to understand who you think is scum here

[VP Baltar]

But if you do a quick reread of the day you'd see most players have had more suspects than the game possibly has scum

I don't see the problem in pushing different people on D2.

It's probably worse to not have clear scum suspects at all. That's what I see from you when you're not voting anyone all day. That's what I see from infinity and Taylor when their entire worldview hangs on me being scum.

[Marky Mark]

I am content to vote Andres (or possibly A50 but as that is more of a feel-read, I'd rather refine it by hearing more from him (eg on his scum suspects as requested)) to reach a consensus if there is no will for an elim on DGB but it's hard to look past here when she slings stuff like above eg insinuating that I have no reads - I genuinely don't understand how other people aren't seeing this !?

[Almost50]

@VP & @MM: EVERYONE is a suspect from my PoV. (That's probably an exaggeration, as I TR Taylor and I 100% buy Infinity's claim). HOWEVER, I don't

really

SR anyone. (as in "being confident enough that I want to eliminate them today").

Suffice it to say I would rather vote Jo Jorgensen (which I kinda am).

[VP Baltar]

FL, you sure this is town?

[DrippingGoofball]

Mark you're gonna have to NK me if you want to satisfy your obsession.

[DrippingGoofball]

You have no reads Mark, just a bunch of nebulous, shapeless positions.

[Flavor Leaf]

Uhm, i thought I was sure, i think is the best way to explain where my head is at in regards to that

[VP Baltar]

Can I get a link again to that mark scum game? I might do some reading this weekend

[Tayl0r Swift]

well if its gotta be me its gotta be me. itll be possible to link it tomorrow. ive pretty much said everything i can say to defend myself. i think the reasons people are tunneled on me are shit. but whatever. i might be the best kill here. i still have some final thoughts id like to say before i die

[Tayl0r Swift]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=84658
^mark's scumgame

[Tayl0r Swift]

i caught mark scum there day 1. its unlikely that mark is scum here, but its possible that he just changed things up knowing he got caught early. getting caught that fast means there isnt that much meta tbh.

[Not_Mafia]

VP is obvscum please vote him everyone

Are you as confident as you were on Prof and Johnny in the previous game?

Nah, they basically claimed scum

[Marky Mark]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=84658
^mark's scumgame

I think the best way to describe my scum play in that game would be to say that the scumteam won in spite of me, rather than me having any active involvement in our success

You have no reads Mark, just a bunch of nebulous, shapeless positions.

This is half true. There are definitely slots (eg VP, Taylor) that I am struggling to get a firm read on, which is partially because there is just so much to wade through. It's an interesting line of attack from DGB though as
a.) At one end of the scale, I think I've articulated why I suspect the people I do at reasonable length
b.) At the other end, I think it would be weird to have a bunch of stone cold reads on D2 - eg contrast with her stating earlier today she was firmly going to elim either Taylor or I (2616)
c.) I would argue that my reads and who I have voted for have flip-flopped significantly less than most of the playerbase, so while you could argue that is scummy in and of itself, it does seem to be a bit of a stretch to say that my reads are nebulous/shapeless

[Marky Mark]

@VP & @MM: EVERYONE is a suspect from my PoV. (That's probably an exaggeration, as I TR Taylor and I 100% buy Infinity's claim). HOWEVER, I don't

really

SR anyone. (as in "being confident enough that I want to eliminate them today").

Suffice it to say I would rather vote Jo Jorgensen (which I kinda am).

Let's try this from a slightly different angle - if you had the casting vote, which player(s) would you choose to elim today?

[DkKoba]

@VP & @MM: EVERYONE is a suspect from my PoV. (That's probably an exaggeration, as I TR Taylor and I 100% buy Infinity's claim). HOWEVER, I don't

really

SR anyone. (as in "being confident enough that I want to eliminate them today").

Suffice it to say I would rather vote Jo Jorgensen (which I kinda am).

You normally this bad at playing town or are u just scum? Gonna give you one chance to give some opinions bc ur my top elim rn just based on seeing this post alone .

[Not_Mafia]

I agree with A50

[JacksonVirgo]

My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes

Is that a problem? I'm confused

By problem, I mean it would be an obvious solve here if you are scum, but I have a hard time seeing that when I read your posts. I could be getting snowed by someone, and I don't like that

What would be the solve if I was scum? From what I remember you said that I'm the center of a bunch of scum-teams so it wouldn't be an obvious solve at all.