Sirius9121's Mini Normal Review, November 2020

[Something_Smart]

I would agree that it's a little townsided. I'm toying with changes such as:
- Bulletproof -> 1-shot RB
- Cop -> Gunsmith
- Cop -> Neapolitan

Last one's probably an overcorrection. I kinda like the idea of nixing the bulletproof because this setup is unfriendly enough to the scum that they don't need a red herring.

[Sirius9121]

I prefer not to have gunsmith since (2175)


shhhh

[Something_Smart]

You really shouldn't try to toe the line regarding discussing ongoing games. Just "I prefer not to have gunsmith" would have been fine.

What do you think about the 1-shot RB change?

I also thought about maybe giving them an informed. Not sure exactly what it should be informed of, but honestly knowing the whole setup could be interesting.

[Sirius9121]

You really shouldn't try to toe the line regarding discussing ongoing games. Just "I prefer not to have gunsmith" would have been fine.

What do you think about the 1-shot RB change?

I also thought about maybe giving them an informed. Not sure exactly what it should be informed of, but honestly knowing the whole setup could be interesting.

Ok lets do the RB

A random player knows that there are 2 scum, isnt that obvious

[Something_Smart]

Do you want to make the mafia roles multitasking?

I wouldn't expect it to matter much for balance, but it probably decreases the chance of annoying edge-cases like scum getting executed D1 and people deciding to clear the neighborizer because the first scum flipped non-multitasking and so the second one probably isn't multitasking either.

[Sirius9121]

Do you want to make the mafia roles multitasking?

I wouldn't expect it to matter much for balance, but it probably decreases the chance of annoying edge-cases like scum getting executed D1 and people deciding to clear the neighborizer because the first scum flipped non-multitasking and so the second one probably isn't multitasking either.

Yeah, prob should
I actually prefer multitasking for [reasons]

[Isis]

I might suggest N2 roleblocker as a possible variant on the oneshot roleblocker idea. Intuitively it seems a smidge less swingy than one-shot.

[Sirius9121]

hm ok

[Sirius9121]

P.S. Since 2175 ended, I am officially inning to mod.

[Sirius9121]

um

bump?
when is this getting approved?

[Something_Smart]

I'm sorry I've had a busy week

Mafia Multitasking 1-shot Roleblocker
Mafia Multitasking 2-shot Vanilla Cop
Town 1-shot Neighborizer
Town Macho 2-shot Cop
Town Indecisive Doctor
VT x4

Seems pretty ok to me. I will think about it when I'm more awake tomorrow and if I still think it's good then I'll pass it.

[Something_Smart]

I'm a little afraid of the cop being macho confirming the existence of a protective.

What about ditching the macho and making the doctor simple? Mechanically it changes very little (the doctor can't save the neighborizer, that's it) but it cuts down on the number of potential clears.

Alternatively, the roleblocker could be made into a jailkeeper, which also changes little but gives them a fakeclaim which provides another plausible explanation for the macho.

I would pass it with either of those changes.

[Sirius9121]

would prefer the jailkeeper.

imo simple would make the doc have Vanilla cop functionality.

yea, jailkeeper seems good

[Something_Smart]

Simple doesn't give the doc vanilla cop functionality because they don't know if their action succeeded or not. But if you want the JK version, I'll /pass that, so you can start on the role PM's.

[Isis]

All doctors should be simple doctors change my mind

Would urge you to consider the simple doctor version given S_S's explanation of how it's not a vanilla cop, because it's a slightly better setup. But he's giving you /pass on either version

[Sirius9121]

ok i'll take the simple doctor

[Sirius9121]

ahem has everyone forgotten this

[Sirius9121]

I was like 'why was I skipped in the normal queue'

[Something_Smart]

I think all we need is to see your role PM's.

[Something_Smart]

Mafia Multitasking 1-shot Roleblocker
Mafia Multitasking 2-shot Vanilla Cop
Town 1-shot Neighborizer
Town 2-shot Cop
Town Indecisive Simple Doctor
VT x4


Or, if you prefer Isis's variant with N2 Roleblocker instead, that's also fine.

[implosion]

Your no new games ban was still active, it expires today. So you’ll be next in the queue. Role PMs are also good though.

[Sirius9121]

implosion, would you mind, like, updating #1 of the normal queue? It's outdated as _____.

[Sirius9121]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town 2-shot Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town 2-shot Cop/color]

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their alignment, but not their role name. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Indecisive Simple Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Indecisive Simple Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from one kill during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

This action will fail if you target a Non-vanilla role. You will not recieve results on whether your action suceeds. You cannot pick the same target twice in a row.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town 1-shot Neighbourizer

Welcome!

You are a

Town 1-shot Neighbourizer

.

You may choose once to neighbourize any player at night. They will be added into the neighbourhood thread regardless of whether you are alive, unless you have been roleblocked.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia 2-shot Vanilla Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia 2-shot Vanilla Cop

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

Twice per game, you may choose a player and know if they are Vanilla or Not Vanilla, but not alignment. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result. You may perform multiple actions per night.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Multitasking Night-Two Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Multitasking Night-Two Roleblocker

.

You may target one player at night two this game. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You may perform multiple actions per night.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[Something_Smart]

Few minor things:

- Broken tag in the cop role PM
- Cop, neighborizer, and vanilla cop should say "if your action fails" instead of "if you are roleblocked"-- there are other ways an action can fail (ascetic, rolestopper, etc).
- You forgot to put "Multitasking" in the vanilla cop PM

Other than that, they look good.

[Isis]

I generally suggest that the american spelling of "neighborizer" be used to match the wiki and give a smidge less modconfirm from roleclaims.