Death Curse

[Noraa]

Noraa you need to actually say stuff when you fake scumhunt you can't just quote things

[Bell]

Noraa, can you at least concede that Shellyc was fake bussing you.
Because she crumbed that very hard.

I don't agree. I think she had ridiculous pushes on me and twisted my meta. She was pulling some TSTBS and shading me all in one.

No. Read her posts.
She was setting up multiple miseliminations off of your flip.
Multiple scum were shading you but failing to vote you which I can link to.
Shelly was accused by both me and Murdercat of trying to actually derail your wagon even though she was pushing at your crazy hard.
She then went off and starting throwing enormous amounts of shade at Me and Isis and dropping you for awhile before consistently going back to throw more shade at you.

She VERY CLEARLY loled at Mush for thinking you were obv town and that communication makes zero sense from the perspective of somebody that knew you were flipping town.

I agree that if you're town, she basically snowed you with fake Meta. She has done the same thing to me.
But that doesn't explain the blantant, coordinated set up by the scum team to look like they knew you were going to flip scum without pushing your wagon themselves.

[Noraa]

Bell are you town here

i've got my dayvig gun ready

lmfao. first page and I see

this

[Noraa]

No. Read her posts.
She was setting up multiple miseliminations off of your flip.
Multiple scum were shading you but failing to vote you which I can link to.
Shelly was accused by both me and Murdercat of trying to actually derail your wagon even though she was pushing at your crazy hard.
She then went off and starting throwing enormous amounts of shade at Me and Isis and dropping you for awhile before consistently going back to throw more shade at you.

She VERY CLEARLY loled at Mush for thinking you were obv town and that communication makes zero sense from the perspective of somebody that knew you were flipping town.

I agree that if you're town, she basically snowed you with fake Meta. She has done the same thing to me.
But that doesn't explain the blantant, coordinated set up by the scum team to look like they knew you were going to flip scum without pushing your wagon themselves.

This was a point I brought up a while ago. It was so that she could be like "Oh oops Noraa isnt scum? Lemme just take like 3 game days to fix my reads up a bit"

[Bell]

I think scum
try to make themselves look good unless they have a playstyle opposite to that like yours.

Zdenek, Vault, all set themselves up to look like they had good hunting instincts after your flip but didn't vote you.

[Noraa]

Thats what I think was happening but idk. go ask her post game ig?

[Bell]

Yeah, I will.
Back to reading.

[Noraa]

If Murder is scum, scums distanced well from him. Barely any interaction and they planned to have Murder carry the entire team since a long time ago.

Btw I still stand by this post

[MURDERCAT]

If Murder is scum, scums distanced well from him. Barely any interaction and they planned to have Murder carry the entire team since a long time ago.

Btw I still stand by this post

That theory is logically inconsistent with the LLD pass and the Taylor pass. It is also inconsistent with my constant desire to 1 for 1 with Pooky.

[Bell]

It's more like they just out right ignored his existence Minus Shelly. Just based off of what I've read so far, him being partners with Shelly isn't out of the question. Their interactions were short and clean which is basic scum play 101 for partners.

This comes back to whether the scum team intentionally ignore their partners or not.
Sometimes they don't interact with town intentionally just so that someone can notice that discrepancy and push a miselimination.

It's super hard to derive the answer to be honest. It feels like one of those meta fluidity pheonomena where it falls in and out of fashion as players meta-meta themselves.

[Bell]

1011
bargaining. I feel this is NAI. Without elo meta from town Noraa.

[Noraa]

1011
bargaining. I feel this is NAI. Without elo meta from town Noraa.

lmfao. I said that because I didn't wanna get limmed on day 1/2 for the millionth time as a vanilla townie.

Literally when I roll vt, I always get limmed day 1/2 or get nk'ed super fast.
I never last as vanilla. dunno why but it always works out like that :/

[Noraa]

If Murder is scum, scums distanced well from him. Barely any interaction and they planned to have Murder carry the entire team since a long time ago.

Btw I still stand by this post

That theory is logically inconsistent with the LLD pass and the Taylor pass. It is also inconsistent with my constant desire to 1 for 1 with Pooky.

how is it inconsistent?

[Bell]

1068
1069- I'm told scum are sheepy, but this looks like my sheeping and this is town bell #4. In otherwords, NAI, really. It's hard to know if his hesitation tojoin it because he knows hop's town or not. I don't think I could tell.
1084 Maybe scum knowing Noraa is town.
mmm.

[Bell]

noraa

ignore lamdadelta

and answer me two questions
if adorable is scum who else do you think is scum
if adorable is town who do you think is scum

Adorable/Shelly/Vaultdweller/??/??

If adorable is town, nothing changes. My solve just doesnt have them anymore. I mean there's not much interaction between these slots anyways so ....

scum will not kill you anyways. You are tunneling town hard and have been the one swaying this entire game with your stubbornness. Why tf would they kill you?

Doesn't make sense really to hop off of Noraatown and unto another town, but neither scum nor Town would necessarily care here. Esp. if Murder has regard for Pooky or/and LLD.
bleh.

[MURDERCAT]

how is it inconsistent?

LLD and Pooky are town and were town blocking me. It doesn't make sense for me to turn on them if there was a plan to get me to the end. I would have stuck with them instead. I would have passed to you in stead of Tayl0r to force a new final 2 that possibly includes me.

[Bell]

1094
I need to take a step back.
Another narrative is that scum didn't wanna be on a town wagon while trying to secure it through shade.
fff which is more likely?

1098: Strange line for scum. but both have a lot of those lines as I keep having to say. boooo.

[Noraa]

how is it inconsistent?

LLD and Pooky are town and were town blocking me. It doesn't make sense for me to turn on them if there was a plan to get me to the end. I would have stuck with them instead. I would have passed to you in stead of Tayl0r to force a new final 2 that possibly includes me.

Imo its the people that TR you that you can SR and not worry too much about getting a SR in response :/

[Noraa]

Pooky do you still believe in scum!Bell?

That thought is p much disappearing completely for me.

If I had to make a decision rn, I'd scroll murder. We still have time but this is an update on my thought process.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler:

[Bell]

noraa

ignore lamdadelta

and answer me two questions
if adorable is scum who else do you think is scum
if adorable is town who do you think is scum

Adorable/Shelly/Vaultdweller/??/??

If adorable is town, nothing changes. My solve just doesnt have them anymore. I mean there's not much interaction between these slots anyways so ....

I'm not sure why she would look at associatives this early. But a lot of people do this and that's very confusing to me.

scum will not kill you anyways. You are tunneling town hard and have been the one swaying this entire game with your stubbornness. Why tf would they kill you?

MurderCat, what's your take on Taylor here and them trying to shutdown the Hopkirk wagon?

I would be too scared of you as scum to do what tayl0r is doing if you are right about Noraa

I think Tayl0r often stands up for Noraa here as town and might genuinely feel like she (tayl0r) can't operate how she wants too. I don't think Hopkirk/Tayl0r/Noraa/?/? is the solve because Tayl0r probably just let's hopkirk come back and defend.

murder can you make a full list of town -> scum like I asked uno to did for everyone active in the game

Do I still have to do this Shelly? I think I've made my position on thinking pretty clear

1133: Honest either way prolly.
1174. Does Murdercat not playBall with scum buddy shelly here? Shelly would probably respond by going easy on Murdercat which, honestly she has been.

[MURDERCAT]

1174. Does Murdercat not playBall with scum buddy shelly here? Shelly would probably respond by going easy on Murdercat which, honestly she has been.

I never did it lol, sorry Shelly I was too lazy

[Fidget]

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This might explain why Titus threw the sroll at Taylor.

Why's that?

I'm still waiting for Fidget to bless my scrolling of Murdercat

am i getting peer pressured into scrolling birthday girl? really?

Ooh yikes

I hope you're right then

[Bell]

how is it inconsistent?

LLD and Pooky are town and were town blocking me. It doesn't make sense for me to turn on them if there was a plan to get me to the end. I would have stuck with them instead. I would have passed to you in stead of Tayl0r to force a new final 2 that possibly includes me.

Imo its the people that TR you that you can SR and not worry too much about getting a SR in response :/

It was a random blip thought that Taylor could read Noraa and Noraa wouldn't want Taylor later game.

Her reads list had Murder being less likely town than Noraa tho.
It was an assumption I wanted to write a back up on, but decided not to.

[Bell]

Fidget do you wish to perform a blessing of some kind. I'm some frantically working on having a working solve and funnily enough I think I'm getting further away from it.

If I had time I would try to meta shelly here and see if she fake hard bus crumbs like this often or not.