976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

[Akarin]

uhm maybe i should come back later but like i re-read this three times and i dont get it? i had a long day at work. can you paraphrase?

I'm just pointing out that both Mastina and The Empress had the same logic I did regarding 2-scum-with-PT-and-commonality-of-wincon being equivalent to 2 Mafia for purposes of scumhunting.

Which was what Gypyx was calling a scumslip back whenever and at the time I had sort of thought we settled the logic of it and everyone moved past it except for him for some reason, but then I thought you were buying into it too.

[Akarin]

And Skye is eligible for a prod again.

[SKYEscrapers]

apologies that wasn't supposed to be a protege i'm just so ridiculously lost on what to think after those flips.

i plan to treat dunnstral as town, because by and large the biggest factors of my scumread on them came from their interactions with nic and i am nowhere near confident enough in my scumread to override the overwhelming mechanical evidence of them being town. that being said, they are playing scummily.

i still townread mastina, although to a lesser extent than i did yesterday (i'm much more open to the possibility of her simply having pocketed me d1.) also townleaning on akarin, and i would prefer to not get either of them today.

gypyx radiates town energy to me, and if that slot is scum i'll be extremely surprised, so avoiding that as well.

so we're left with {skye, DT}, the latter of which is pretty null but looking worse and worse. that being said, skye has seemed off to me, especially the entire three-person hydra's drop in activity and general... off play, so i'm good with VOTE: skye today.

well, it's effectively a two person hydra. summer has just not been here.

activity, whatever. but, could you describe what's been off about us?

The Empress

[SKYEscrapers]

I'm not up for voting Skye. I scumread DoubtingThomas but t hey're less likely than mastina

what changed?

The Empress

[SKYEscrapers]

Hey Empress Tris, has Ari been active in your PT again yet?

he said he'd be taking a look yesterday, but hasn't said anything since.

The Empress

[SKYEscrapers]

i'll be able to think more in the morning

The Empress

[mastina]

I have a Mastina meta question for Dunn/Ari but I don't want to ask it until after Ari has actually caught up.

I mean.
I can answer any meta question about me and it'll still be accurate.
I don't lie about my meta; if anything, asking others about my meta is more of a way to judge the alignment of those others. If they're inaccurate, probably scum; if they're accurate, then it doesn't make them town but it's at least not a scum indicator.

[mastina]

well, it's effectively a two person hydra. summer has just not been here.

Hot take: Summer basically flaked from the hydra due to the hydra being scum, and the work being done behind the scenes rather than openly out here in the thread is also a consequence of that alignment.

[Akarin]

I mean.
I can answer any meta question about me and it'll still be accurate.
I don't lie about my meta; if anything, asking others about my meta is more of a way to judge the alignment of those others. If they're inaccurate, probably scum; if they're accurate, then it doesn't make them town but it's at least not a scum indicator.

You know, as soon as I typed that, I thought "Mastina is going to want to answer it herself but her answer will be both super-confident and not actually help me any."

It's like the one part of your meta I'm confident on!

[SKYEscrapers]

hello

The Empress

[TheGoldenParadox]

apologies that wasn't supposed to be a protege i'm just so ridiculously lost on what to think after those flips.

i plan to treat dunnstral as town, because by and large the biggest factors of my scumread on them came from their interactions with nic and i am nowhere near confident enough in my scumread to override the overwhelming mechanical evidence of them being town. that being said, they are playing scummily.

i still townread mastina, although to a lesser extent than i did yesterday (i'm much more open to the possibility of her simply having pocketed me d1.) also townleaning on akarin, and i would prefer to not get either of them today.

gypyx radiates town energy to me, and if that slot is scum i'll be extremely surprised, so avoiding that as well.

so we're left with {skye, DT}, the latter of which is pretty null but looking worse and worse. that being said, skye has seemed off to me, especially the entire three-person hydra's drop in activity and general... off play, so i'm good with VOTE: skye today.

well, it's effectively a two person hydra. summer has just not been here.

activity, whatever. but, could you describe what's been off about us?

The Empress

oh my god you suck btw

VOTE: mastina

The Empress

this post threw me, and just the general context behind it felt like it wasn't coming from an uninformed, solvey perspective.
activity is also at least somewhat relevant, because people are less active as scum from my experience.

[SKYEscrapers]

that makes a lot of sense.

i wish ari was here, so he could tell me what he thinks on mastina because i know he had shifted towards her being scum, but the reason he gave earlier during day 1 was that she was arguing with mechanics and meta and being defensive rather than crafting the game. i don't know if that answers akarin's question that she is going to ask ari.

The Empress

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 2.3

mastina (2):

Dunnstral, SKYEscrapers

SKYEscrapers (2):

mastina, TheGoldenParadox

Akarin (1):

Gypyx

not voting (2):

Akarin, DoubtingThomas

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to Finally Forbid someone. day 2 ends november 26th at 11:15 central US time; in (expired on 2020-11-26 11:15:00)

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[SKYEscrapers]

schadd is a lazy fraud who reposts old flavor

Empress Tris

[Gypyx]

So uhhhh yeah i'm here

[Gypyx]

What's the case on SKYEscrapers apart from them not liking my behaviour at the first deadline? I don't think i've seen anything else

[Dunnstral]

I'm not up for voting Skye. I scumread DoubtingThomas but t hey're less likely than mastina

what changed?

The Empress

What changed from where

DT? Their votes are really bad

[Gypyx]

for whenever you get back, what do you think of the information the fact that i 100% agree with what akarin was saying with the stuff that you interpreted as a scum slip?

as for the stalling. I think stalling makes sense if you're unsure about whether it really is the deadline.

The Empress

You agree, like, you were thinking it was 2v7?

[SKYEscrapers]

What's the case on SKYEscrapers apart from them not liking my behaviour at the first deadline? I don't think i've seen anything else

TGP just added something in his last post.

The Empress

[SKYEscrapers]

What's the case on SKYEscrapers apart from them not liking my behaviour at the first deadline? I don't think i've seen anything else

TGP just added something in their last post.

The Empress

EBWOP

[SKYEscrapers]

I'm not up for voting Skye. I scumread DoubtingThomas but t hey're less likely than mastina

what changed?

The Empress

What changed from where

DT? Their votes are really bad

the last read you gave on them was in 313

The Empress

[SKYEscrapers]

for whenever you get back, what do you think of the information the fact that i 100% agree with what akarin was saying with the stuff that you interpreted as a scum slip?

as for the stalling. I think stalling makes sense if you're unsure about whether it really is the deadline.

The Empress

You agree, like, you were thinking it was 2v7?

yes. and i also agree with the idea that even in the 3rd party world there's a mafia equivalent based on the line about two of them sharing a PT and having mutuality in win-con.

The Empress

[Akarin]

Tell Ari that if he doesn't post substance in (expired on 2020-11-22 16:24:08) I'm voting SKYE and not holding it against anyone who wants to lolhammer.

[Akarin]

The weirdest thing about Gypyx is I feel like we've already been over this thrice.

[Akarin]

Mastina, is your TGP townread just as solid as it was last time you mentioned it?