Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[petapan]

NM is already voting you

[Menalque]

Oh, cool

[Menalque]

Thought it was lil

Carry on then I guess

[Infinity 324]

SS makes the most sense as a player who would try to kill a town-you N1. but SS also makes sense as a player who i suspect would consider no-killing N1 given his adeptness regarding mechanics/strategy.

How is that compelling? All it takes is one person on the scumteam saying that Menalque is a strong player for the scum to attack him. Just because peta isn't familiar with him doesn't mean nobody on his team is.

I’m not saying peta is town necessarily. I’m just saying that there was likely

someone

on the scum team who knew mena was a strong player and you are one of those players. Bird and lilith are the other two, and as hoopla says in that quote you are very likely scum if lilith is.

[petapan]

best bird, lilith, whenever you get back to this, if you have questions regarding the mechanics or my thinking, feel free to ask, i guess.

i am actually weirdly more comfortable now than i was at the start of the day, even if i get voted out, because i think we're in the position where scum has realized they need to try to eliminate me rather than trick me, and that makes it a lot easier from my view. even if i get voted out here they're going to have to sell out to kill me and my finger will be pointing at them

[Infinity 324]

peta-dave-s_s/bird/lilith
peta-s_s-bird
lilith + 2 of {peta/s_s/bird}

Any of these seem particularly likely/unlikely @hoopla, mena?

If we’re trusting skitter, lilith/bird/peta would be the most likely team. Or lilith/peta/dave.

Given we know something fucky happened mechanically, I kinda wanna trust my and skitter’s scumread on lilith.

I ignored n_m for these purposes but we can maybe consider them too. Worth noting that skitter also had a TR on JV.

[Hoopla]

sorry to bounce at such a critical juncture of the game, but i'll be V/LA for ~24 hours. weekends are tough.

UNVOTE:

don't elim anyone while i'm gone. i wanna look at this game through fresh eyes. too many loose ends to deal with.

[Hoopla]

last post.

peta-dave-s_s/bird/lilith
peta-s_s-bird
lilith + 2 of {peta/s_s/bird}

Any of these seem particularly likely/unlikely @hoopla, mena?

i think i still favour peta/SS/bird, but yah, want to reassess tomorrow.

[petapan]

all 3 of you have had your reasoning get increasingly ludicrous while ignoring what i say

especially funny is hoopla's theory that something smart makes a nokill on night 1 (a move of dubious mechanical value) while then somehow forgetting to claim cop (???)

the one thing confusing me is i wouldn't have believed a scumteam with hoopla would slip up with mechanics in that regard either, but she's not inspiring confidence that she's town right now

[petapan]

it'd be naive to think it's all 3 of them, but it definitely feels like there's been a turn in the last few pages

[Infinity 324]

Peta we’re literally trying to figure out the game. The gamestate is weird, and “I made a weird play if scum” doesn’t cut it anymore for me. Honestly I haven’t thought much about the cop claim but I’m not even convinced it would’ve been correct. I would’ve been very tempted to lim the cop in order to confirm the results, depending on how many there were.

[the worst]

lilith2013 has privately notified v/la for the weekend.

[petapan]

Peta we’re literally trying to figure out the game.

no what you're doing is throwing out a bunch of names and going "hmm thats my solve" lmao

if you're really trying ti figure out the game don't give such abjectly poor logic as "peta made a misplay on the claim he was trying to figure out since the start of the day"

[Infinity 324]

Are you trying to gaslight me? Read any of my other posts today.

[petapan]

nah i just think you're overinflating what you've done and your reasoning is starting to show some holes

[Infinity 324]

At least I’m fucking trying

[davesaz]

The only player coming close to trying in this game is me.

Eliminate the guilty already. Enough screwing around.

[Menalque]

The only player coming close to trying in this game is me.

Eliminate the guilty already. Enough screwing around.

Spoiler: All of dave’s post today which should apparently stand him apart as the only one trying

If the person arguing against a massclaim is the soft guilty...

I'd say it's no longer "early game" so I'm no longer feeling constrained from delving into pick analysis.
This is from my POV knowing I'm town.

2, 4/(5 ruled out by lilith), 9/23/1M
2, 4, 5 (ruled out by lilith)
2, 4, 4
4, 5, 9/23/1M
4, 4, 5/9/23/1M
4, 4, 4
4, any 2 of 9/23/1M
5, any 2 of 9/23/1M
9, 23, 1M

Every valid combination other than {S_S, Infinity, Petapan} requires lilith, Menalque, or a 4.
By far the largest set of combinations requires at least one scum to be a 4.

In terms of roles we may have a tragic comedy here of every single town role being useless or close to it. And I'm down to zero people I can trust in terms of TRs.

And I'm down to zero people I can trust in terms of TRs.

seems to be a theme today

you had a solid TR on me yesterday/day before that, what happened to that?

I thought Dunn was hinting there was a different reason for the no-kill than you being JK'd.
Consider it a compliment that I think you're totally capable of towning it up as scum.
And I have a hard time understanding lilith's play if she's scum, without that other reason for the no-kill.

Not cop. I assumed the first town player would take it and the chances of 3 scum before me was too small to even consider. As a result, the chance we have scum holding that role pair with RB is now pretty high.

Have we heard from Best Bird?

Dunnstral would have been neighborized before N_M repped in, right? The better question to ask about the neighborizer shot is, who as scum would think they can convince Dunn they are town in a hood?

also Dave, also peta

Getting a new refrigerator delivered.

Dave could be a scum reaction

My non reaction from not being here could be what?

Town will lose now. I wanted to know if there was a doc or not first.
1-shot watcher.
Meet your next NK.

Lilith if you're town

do not JK me

. Our only hope is scum kill someone else AND I guess who it is and watch them.

If Lilith is town, I'm absolutely floored that both of the top 2 picks went for a scum (IMO) role. Take a role with unambiguous results over one that leaves more questions than answers. Always!

Also, Dave, why did you out exactly?

Because it looks like a massclaim is in progress and people who claim stall tend to get elim'd.
Any other stupid questions?

VOTE: Menalque
Keep mentioning me?

Let's just turbo elim the guilty and get it over with.

I'm honestly just fed up with this game. You or me, now!

@ALL -- PICK ONE OF US AND GET IT OVER WITH. QUIT FUCKING AROUND.

And now you've caught up to why I'm so upset about the table we gave ourselves.
The only ways lilith and Mena can both be town is if scum deliberately no-killed (unlikely) or they were so afraid of Mena replacing in that they tried to NK there instead of a PR (also unlikely).
Lilith can be scum pretty much only if scum no-killed AND they tried to frame Mena. Even more unlikely.
If we had just listened to the guilty we'd be in a much better place.

[Menalque]

I think the right move is lili today

VOTE: lili

[Not_Mafia]

I can't believe anyone would accuse me of not trying

[Menalque]

It is an outrageous accusation to make of you, N_M

[Menalque]

I glanced at the VCA earlier and it looks kinda fucky for D1 if the pool is correct, which is troubling

[Menalque]

@peta why haven’t you played very hard this game/how come you haven’t hit any scum?

[petapan]

i haven't had good reads, there's been a lack of obvtown, i know for a fact someone who's scum played a good game. i'm not some ace town player or anything

[Menalque]

Subject: Death Curse Spectator/Dead PT NOW WITH 100% MORE NERO

starting to think this setup is brutal for scum, one townie gets a scumread on you you're in trouble, if you push a miscurse on someone and they omgus you you're toast

don't like hopkirk's stuff after he drops the post restriction. fidget's 1665 is blah, drawing connections with adorable to noraa that are just implausible. dislike a lot of her reads too. noraa is kind of obvtown from that readslist and later posts.

through 68:

town reads (strongest -> weakest):
pooky, MUSH, bell, LLD, theta alpine, noraa, adorable, taylor, Vaxkiller, toogeloo, Flea, fidget, Titus
null:
gloria cleary, lapsa
scum reads (strongest -> weakest):
shellyc, unowen, hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Zdenek