Mini 627 - Riverworld Smalltown - Over!!!

[M4yhem]

I'm happy with my vote at the moment.

Bob- I don't know, I'm kind of enjoying myself.

[iamausername]

Should I just hammer now, or do we want to make some adjustments to the plan? I'm not sure it's optimised if we're only looking to catch the mafioso.

[shaft.ed]

OK so if Nab's the SK I think we need to adjust the plan for maximum potential. Kinda surprised he'd claim as he might have outlasted the plan by pushing for a Mayhem lynch.

Lynch Nab SK down.
I target Mayhem who dies tonight via vig kill (vig kill with mafia kill confirms armlx town).
Jail Alabaska and Claus (mafia kill confirms them as town).
Cyberbob tracks TSPN or Rishi, leave it open so mafia cannot predict.
Rishi's targeting can be confirmed by both IAUN and Claus.
IAUN's targeting can be partially confirmed by Claus, but he is essentially cleared as not mafia from day 1 so it does not matter.

Thus if the mafia do kill, Rishi is cleared, armlx is cleared, Claus is cleared, Alabaska J is cleared. Only Cyberbob or TSPN can be mafia.

It seems most likely we will have a No Kill under such a plan. Is it thus worth going forward with? I'd say yes as the town is likely to waste a lynch on me. It removes scumarmlx the ability to toss in a vig killing to sway the game last minute. Passes Jailing abilities on to Claus in case IAUN the confrimed innocent dies, and gains a confirmed innocent via Cyberbob's investigation.

Also with only one scum left, Cyberbob's innocent tracking results are 100% genuine from here on out. That means he will be creating innocents with his results. Something to think about with who he targets. This also applies to armlx on the following night.

[shaft.ed]

Should I just hammer now, or do we want to make some adjustments to the plan? I'm not sure it's optimised if we're only looking to catch the mafioso.

Please don't we can make the plan better if we know we are taking out the SK.

[NabakovNabakov]

OK so if Nab's the SK I think we need to adjust the plan for maximum potential. Kinda surprised he'd claim as he might have outlasted the plan by pushing for a Mayhem lynch.

Wouldn't have happened/helped. What are the chances the guy who ranted and raved until the town lynched some other guy manages to kill the guy who will discover he killed the other guy without being blocked by the guy or tracked by the guy or that other guy?

[M4yhem]

Unvote

to allow for plan adjusment.

Don't vig me, for christ sake, I'm not mafia! I pushed hard for Pugs lynch despite strong opposition. Vig one of the people who were against lynching Pug- shaft.ed, cyberbob.

[shaft.ed]

OK so if Nab's the SK I think we need to adjust the plan for maximum potential. Kinda surprised he'd claim as he might have outlasted the plan by pushing for a Mayhem lynch.

Wouldn't have happened/helped. What are the chances the guy who ranted and raved until the town lynched some other guy manages to kill the guy who will discover he killed the other guy without being blocked by the guy or tracked by the guy or that other guy?

Your hope was for mafia to NK TSPN which they might have considered to create confusion. But yeah the odds were slim.

[shaft.ed]

Unvote

to allow for plan adjusment.

Don't vig me, for christ sake, I'm not mafia! I pushed hard for Pugs lynch despite strong opposition. Vig one of the people who were against lynching Pug- shaft.ed, cyberbob.

Cyberbob's tracking confirms innocents regardless of Cyberbob's alignment. With TSPN around as both the biggest threat to mafia and the most likely mafia candidate, I don't think it's the right time to kill Cyberbob. I'd be OK with switching Alabaska with Mayhem in the above proposal.

[armlx]

Yeah, if NN is the SK I definitely would prefer vigging Alabaska. Thats one hell of a bus if M4yh3m is mafia....

Also, I'm trying to figure out how we confirm people at all if the mafia just no kills a bunch, but that seems to be a dumb issue as the game is pretty much straight up nightless then, which is sick odds for us.

[iamausername]

If TSPN is the most likely mafia candidate, would it make more sense for me to jail him rather than Alabaska/Mayhem? He can't do anything useful tonight if he's town.

Also considering the possibility that it might be better to leave night actions completely up in the air now (although the armlx double viging with shaft.ed's hide should maybe still stay intact.)

[armlx]

If TSPN is the most likely mafia candidate, would it make more sense for me to jail him rather than Alabaska/Mayhem? He can't do anything useful tonight if he's town.

Sure. Sounds good.

I also like the night actions up in the air thing for everyone that isn't me or Shaft.ed. Makes it a lot easier to trap scum.

[M4yhem]

Thank god! Hallelujah!

If the mafia no-kills we just do a shitload of post-by-post analysis and catch them that way. We got Pug, we can catch whoever-it-is too.

[iamausername]

If the mafia no-kills we just do a shitload of post-by-post analysis and catch them that way. We got Pug, we can catch whoever-it-is too.

Plus it doesn't matter if we get it wrong the first time!

[armlx]

If the mafia no-kills we just do a shitload of post-by-post analysis and catch them that way. We got Pug, we can catch whoever-it-is too.

That and the fact odds are they can't kill for a while without getting wrecked by tracks.

[shaft.ed]

If TSPN is the most likely mafia candidate, would it make more sense for me to jail him rather than Alabaska/Mayhem? He can't do anything useful tonight if he's town.

Sure. Sounds good.

I also like the night actions up in the air thing for everyone that isn't me or Shaft.ed. Makes it a lot easier to trap scum.

I think I agree with the No Plan "plan." I'll volunteer for being hider vig'ed if it's what everyone wants. What about hider vig'ing TSPN? I don't see him surviving to be useful. And with 50% odds on being mafia already he's likely to be a big elephant in the room come lynching time tommorow. Only good thing is it forces the mafia's hand if there is a NK tommorow.

[armlx]

I'll volunteer for being hider vig'ed if it's what everyone wants.

Yeah, especially if the SK goes down here.

Just remember if NN is lying mafia, we go back to the first plan.

Hider vigging TSPN.... I'll have to reread, but seems ok. Until I say otherwise though, assume its Alabaska.

[iamausername]

I am totally behind TSPN being the hidevig target. I haven't read over D1 in a while so I'm fairly hazy on why, but I remember thinking him or Cyberbob were most likely the last mafia when D2 began.

Just remember if NN is lying mafia, we go back to the first plan.

Yes, this is very important.

[M4yhem]

Happy with TSPN being vigged. Hermit jailed last night + no mafia kill= circumstancial evidence.

Since we have a new plan,

Vote: NabkovNabkov

[armlx]

Yeah, Twomz def jumped on Alabaska pretty hard early game. TSPN is probably a better target, even though he's a good confirmer.

So, if NN = SK, Shaft.ed hides with TSPN, I kill TSPN, everyone else does something cool.

If NN = mafia, return to plan A.

[iamausername]

Plan A:

shaft.ed hides w/ Mayhem
armlx vigs Mayhem
Rishi motivates username
username jails Alabaska & Claus
TSPN investigates Twomz
Cyberbob tracks Rishi

That's right, isn't it? Just want to make 100% sure armlx and shaft.ed are on the same page there, mostly.

[armlx]

Yes. That is the plan if NN = mafia.

[shaft.ed]

OK I'm ready to take one for the team. You'll probably have better luck scum hunting without me any way

[M4yhem]

No, Plan A:

shaft.ed hides w/Alabaska
armlx vigs Alabaska
Rishi motivates username
username jails M4yhem & Claus
TSPN investigates Twomz
Cyberbob tracks Rishi

Not that it matters since there's no reason for Nab to lie about being SK, but still.

[shaft.ed]

No, Plan A:

shaft.ed hides w/Alabaska
armlx vigs Alabaska
Rishi motivates username
username jails M4yhem & Claus
TSPN investigates Twomz
Cyberbob tracks Rishi

Not that it matters since there's no reason for Nab to lie about being SK, but still.

Their point is your more likely SK than Alabaska.

[armlx]

Their point is your more likely SK than Alabaska.

This.