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[Menalque]

The obvious concern here is that you are the neighbouriser, N_M is the cop/redirector slot but he removes himself for consideration by claiming a back-up neighbouriser to force a false pool that inevitably loses the game in (Dave/peta/S_S/infinity)

That requires a team of exactly you/N_M/lilith

The other team I’m mostly considering is Dave/peta/lilith

[Menalque]

And like - dave's posting today was just bad

Yes, I know, but then I’m questioning whether he would do posting that bad right after tying himself irrevocably to one of his buddies KNOWING that success in the line he’s pushing leads to him looking v bad

[Menalque]

When I flip town, I mean

[Best Bird]

That also requires both me and n_m to have consciously chosen the same number, being at the bottom of the draft, and getting those two roles.

[Menalque]

Hoopla, what does your theory around solving around me have to say about the fact that there are two scummy slots that basically clear me if either flip scum?

[Menalque]

That also requires both me and n_m to have consciously chosen the same number, being at the bottom of the draft, and getting those two roles.

Okay, good point, I think we can rule that one out

[petapan]

What do you think about my dave/peta/infinity/S_S conundrum, Best Bird?

It makes my head hurt. I can see the dave/peta thing but I don't know how I feel about it on gut yet.

do you have thoughts on who is scum in the redirector group

[davesaz]

@dave, N_M, lilith, peta

if menalque is scum, who are his partners?

One day at a time. If we miss it's getting too close to not mattering, so I'll take the one in the hand over the one in the bush.

[davesaz]

And like - dave's posting today was just bad

My posting today is the absolute best posting ever from town.
My town posting is always the best ever.

[petapan]

fio the record - i'm not townclearing dave. i'm just saying he picked the role he claims to have picked. but menalque keeps trying to push outside the redirector pool and go after lilith when i can't see a mafia nokill on night 1 as a realistic play, which makes me want him dead

[petapan]

i abjectly don't fucking care if i get flipped today, it's better than flipping someone who can't be redirector

[Menalque]

i abjectly don't fucking care if i get flipped today, it's better than flipping someone who can't be redirector

Why tho? The redirector pool is only 4 people, it’s 5 people from the non-redirector Pool

Do you think there are 2 scum in the redirector pool? If you don’t, even with removing yosrswlf from the occasion, it’s a higher % hit

[petapan]

i'd rather read in a smaller group of people where i know there's at least one, find them, and work outward from there if we manage to get that flip and not lose the game

[petapan]

i'd prefer not to get yeeted obviously but if people are gonna suggest i'm scum for nebulous reasons then we can resolve that issue right now

i entirely think it's possible ther could be multiple scum in the group given how infinity went from trying to talk nice to me, be like "c'mon i want you to solve" to turning on me and deciding i'm most likely scum when i actually bothered to piece together the mechanics rather than just sheeping along and voting lilith

[petapan]

My logic on lili being locktown is as follows:

There is confirmed to me that there is a JK in the slots above me (pine requested JK and didn’t get it)

Lilith is claimed JK

I don’t see why scum lili would claim a JK on me there but I think town!lili excited because she thought it was a guilty /totally would/ out herself there


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I think skitter is scummy for not being dead and for pushing lili like this, which is what I think scum would do if there’s a doctor in the game who blocked the kill N1 and who scum are worried would cover lili last night

whatever happened to this reasoning, btw

did it suddenly go away because lilith is a convenient vote, or what

[Infinity 324]

i'd prefer not to get yeeted obviously but if people are gonna suggest i'm scum for nebulous reasons then we can resolve that issue right now

i entirely think it's possible ther could be multiple scum in the group given how infinity went from trying to talk nice to me, be like "c'mon i want you to solve" to turning on me and deciding i'm most likely scum when i actually bothered to piece together the mechanics rather than just sheeping along and voting lilith

I didn’t feel like I saw real solving from you. Mostly just shading of me. There’s a few things that give me doubt about your slot, but overall I feel like you played really scummy this day phase.

[petapan]

scummy because...?

[Infinity 324]

Because you’re not solving? You don’t seem confident in your point of view, just very confident mine is wrong. In this gamestate, town needs to solve the whole scumteam and scum just need to make sure that town don’t have/successfully push the correct narrative.

[petapan]

i don't see how lack of confidence in my own viewpoint is scummy as opposed to me being unconfident town

i could go back, reread the game thread, iso everyone, do casewalls, but 1. it'd be a bunch of performative bullshit that i'd probably get wrong regardless 2. it isn't likely to get read, anyway

so instead i'm just gonna point my finger at people where i know there's gotta be scum and if i'm wrong, oh well, we both deserve to lose

[petapan]

as it is i think you're probably attacking me for strategic reasons and so i don't have any particular reason to want to persuade you and certainly won't jump through hoops to impress you. if you actually are town then we've failed to see eye to eye, likely because of a fundamental difference in how we choose to approach the game. i don't know that that's something that can be overcome, at least not within the confines of this game

[Something_Smart]

whatever happened to this reasoning, btw

did it suddenly go away because lilith is a convenient vote, or what

this is a good point

[Infinity 324]

But you don’t seem unconfident. You’re very confident I’m wrong. If you’re town, I don’t deserve to lose because you were wrong, and I’m almost 100% sure working with mena and hoopla is our best bet but you seemed to be very against that for reasons I don’t understand.

[Something_Smart]

in particular, Menalque, you were disagreeing with skitter while she was alive despite townreading her, but once she's flipped you now want to sheep her reads. Why is that?

[petapan]

But you don’t seem unconfident. You’re very confident I’m wrong. If you’re town, I don’t deserve to lose because you were wrong, and I’m almost 100% sure working with mena and hoopla is our best bet but you seemed to be very against that for reasons I don’t understand.

because i don't fucking townread them lmfao

[Infinity 324]

Yeah idk. I hate it when people tell me my strong TRs are wrong, it happens all the time and I’m almost always right. If you were town, I’d expect you to at least give some consideration to my PoV here since you don’t really have a cohesive one of your own and you’ve townread me in the past. Obviously I don’t have everything figured out, and I could be wrong on mena/hoopla but the fact that you don’t even seem to be considering my PoV feels like you’re approaching this with an agenda and opposed to just not having confidence.