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[DrippingGoofball]

Good evening all, I am home from work and have caught up with the flurry of pages from overnight

Let's start with the key thing - DK is straight-up lying. They've claimed Simple Mailman, whereas they are in fact a Multitasking Mailman. We can debate their motives for targetting DGB all day - I suspect they may have thought I was a normal watcher or voyeur rather than a Role Watcher, which would have made them look towny as I would have just seen them mailing DGB.

FYPOV either DK or me is lying and therefore scum - it's that black or white. There is no point looking elsewhere for an elim (eg N_M's current vote on VP )

I will be pleasantly surprised if not faded today but if you look at this objectively it ought to be pretty clear that I'm town here and I'll try to lay out the case for this, so let's not rush a wagon through. Be careful not to let DK lolhammer me either as when I flip green she will be confscum anyways

-- pedit VP beat me to the point I was trying to make

Iso'ing MM... I feel bad now reading this post. I should have townread it. I was blinded by his tunnel on me and I need to be more aware of my weakness in the future.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm iso'ing MM, FL.

LOL

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, you’re town DGB.

Who’s the other?

[Flavor Leaf]

VP.

DGB-VP are town.

The scum are NM and A50.

This game is solved.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only leaf that brings the beef.

Can’t handle the spice, don’t ask for the flavor

[DrippingGoofball]

VP.

DGB-VP are town.

The scum are NM and A50.

This game is solved.

Maybe from your POV.

Even if I take it as gospel, I would still need to know which one of the two to vote for.

[VP Baltar]

I'm here and still not voting. I'm going to bed though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, Not Mafia is the PR if scum.

I actually think A50 might have spewed it when he was casing us. He kept pushing like I was probably the goon, and DGB was the PR, so i feel he’s TMIing that scum have a PR, which I already believed, and that Not Mafia is the PR.

[VP Baltar]

Like, it is very possible there are three town here sniping.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it matters which of them is faded, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, it is very possible there are three town here sniping.

That’s what I’m saying. It legit keeps being us 3, then eventually one of them interject, but the 3 of us consistently come together, and hash things out, and look at the possibilities.

Not Mafia hasn’t done this.

A50 is pushing DGB/FL solely.

I think this game is just solved.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like yes, Not Mafia never does, but it’s the fact that the 3 of us specifically are.

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, Not Mafia is the PR if scum.

I actually think A50 might have spewed it when he was casing us. He kept pushing like I was probably the goon, and DGB was the PR, so i feel he’s TMIing that scum have a PR, which I already believed, and that Not Mafia is the PR.

That post ping'ed me hard, that's why I iso'd him.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless you think both DGB and myself are coming together to dupe you, just see that I am town.

DGB is trying to solve too, I think she is town.

[VP Baltar]

I don’t think it matters which of them is faded, tbh

I'm gonna go to bed and I'll probably vote tomorrow. I'll see if they respond with anything noteworthy.

Pedit - fl+DGB is still possible, but I think increasingly unlikely

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't care what FL says, and I do NOT trust him still. The more I read his posts the more confident I am it's just him & DGB and he is trying to muddy the waters in an attempt to protect her.

I mean, he says N_M\s role doesn't go with the flipped Voyeur and soon after calls me scum with VP. He admits DGB is heavily tied with DkK but wants to eliminate VP today. This is FL flailing hard, and it's desperate FL if I've ever seen him getting desperate. He would not be as desperate if the DGB elimination wasn't the correct one. Not just because she is his scum buddy, but because she is the "mysterious role" they were hoping to endgame.

I think all his arguments are designed to protect DGB here, even if it was at the cost of his own elimination. I guess the plan was to try an eliminate one of A50/VP/N_M and take the win today, but if that failed they were prepared lose FL and DGB can argue she was being setup by the scum team or something. (Imagine id DGB is a multi-tasking Jailer/Roleblocker and manages to N_M and shoot his protection target, which would probably be you because he can't protect me tonight. Do you realize how both I and N_M would look in the proposed final 3? I would always be paranoid I misread him because why wasn't he NK'd? He would ALSO be sus of me because why would scum not shoot me knowing I'm unprotected? Result: DGB can try to get one of us to vote the other instead. That's my theory right now)

What bugged me:
- A50 says that FL is protecting me... in what universe?
- I am a mysterious role?
- FL is sacrificing himself so that I live????
- "Imagine id DGB is a multi-tasking Jailer/Roleblocker and manages to N_M and shoot his protection target" wait whut

Playing amateur psychologist... this sounds like it could be his actual fear.

"Do you realize how both I and N_M would look in the proposed final 3? I would always be paranoid I misread him because why wasn't he NK'd?"

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia is never night killed here. A no kill happens before he is night killed.

[Flavor Leaf]

A50 is a better dueler

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia targeting A50 opens up his “availability” to target any of us tonight, which allows him to do a No Kill and fake a clear.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s if we go A50 today, that is something to be aware of.

Read off play, not by claims from here on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m feeling comfortable that i solved.

[Not_Mafia]

You know what, both times I lost to Not Mafia, it was because I town read him and defended him.he could have been playing this entire game around that knowledge.

I don’t know him as a person, just a player.

I don’t even remember these games broseph

[VP Baltar]

Oh dammit. For some reason I thought you had left your vote on Not Mafia overnight FL. That would have been enough time without a hammer to be confident.

[Almost50]

Hell, A50, you should be seeing my townie mindset here as well.

Mate, I know you too well to trust you.

Like, in the previous game we were in (MBoS 10) I wasn't sure of your alignment at all. That "result" you had I couldn't tell if it was genuine or a gambit either, even after you did flip town.

But anyway, I am trying to wrap my head around what everyone is saying here and how they're approaching this. Right now I could see one of FL/DGB being town, but it still hurts to have seen them both going for MM over DkK.

I also could be a bit conf!biased against DGB, but I can't see her ALSO faking a result that lead to a TPR claim as Town. Too many circumstantial evidence against DGB here that I can't get myself to believe it's all a series of bad moves coming from a townie mindset. I know she is better than that.

[Almost50]

Let me reiterate:
- DGB was scummy on D1 (at least to me).
- DGB faked a result on Infinity that directly lead to him outright claiming preemptively
- DGB went for the elimination of a Cop over his guilty (which is a NO-NO in my book. Check that Team Mafia game FL referenced earlier.)
- DGB not only went for MM, but preemptively laid the hammer on him too when there was a hell lot of time left in the day (I had yet to post on that day myself)

Now she's doing VCA and she looks town for it?? I even think her finding "a lot of townie stuff" in my ISO is an attempt to pocket me because I seem to be focused on eliminating her the most. FL is flip flopping over everyone, N_M can go VP instead and VP now TRs her. *Shrug*

That's how I feel in a nutshell.