Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[Datisi]

shoshin, the "you wanna talk about it" was aimed at you too.

My silence was your answer.

VOTE: shoshin

[Shoshin]

I take back my town read on Nora.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Noraa

I also find this scummy from ABR.

I highly doubt that you can read Noraa, her friendliness is NAI, she seems like she slip by right under your nose if you were an informed cop, and your chainsaw defense of your fake townread screams scum to me.

VOTE: Shoshin

Cakez isn't following this game closely.

shhhhhh

SirCake, why you vote me?

because your reads seem faked

[SirCakez]

I take back my town read on Nora.

why?

[Shoshin]

You played with me before, SirCake. What's different this game?

[Noraa]

I take back my town read on Nora.

ok explain.

[Shoshin]

I take back my town read on Nora.

why?

She doesn't seem to care what happens.

[VP Baltar]

VPB, what're your concerns about me?

You're coasting and asking surface level questions to look busy.

[Shoshin]

VPB, what're your concerns about me?

You're coasting and asking surface level questions to look busy.

I understand why you say this -- I get this in my games a lot -- but it's just how I play. The questions aren't as surface level as they look, and if you take a look at my town games, you'll see it's part of how I find scum. These seemingly innocuous questions have caught a lot of scum. I believe they're effective & efficient precisely because they seem harmless.

[VP Baltar]

These seemingly innocuous questions have caught a lot of scum. I believe they're effective & efficient precisely because they seem harmless.

I understand the value of questions like that. I use that strategy myself.

However, the problem here is there was really almost no content in the game when you started doing this. You can't catch scum in the RVS stage like that because there aren't any interactions to check the results against, nor does it move the game forward. That's why it comes across as fake to me.

[SirCakez]

You played with me before, SirCake. What's different this game?

remind me when? they all blend together

[Shoshin]

However, the problem here is there was really almost no content in the game when you started doing this. You can't catch scum in the RVS stage like that because there aren't any interactions to check the results against, nor does it move the game forward. That's why it comes across as fake to me.

I wasn't here during RVS & I disagree about content levels. I asked your reads at a point where there was enough information to start forming meaningful thoughts, and I wanted a clear record so that I could evaluate progression later. You interested me because you were actively leading discussion but offering no actual insight into what you were thinking, & also you're an unknown player to me so I don't have a clear sense how to read you yet.

I think my early reads had more depth than people realize, I just didn't talk about my reasons. This was intentional -- when possible, I try not to give reasons because (a) I'm not worried about town-telling, I'll eventually be obvtown, and (b) I prefer to keep scum in the dark so that I can test their reasoning. Again, this has worked well for me.

[Shoshin]

You played with me before, SirCake. What's different this game?

remind me when? they all blend together

We played a couple games but it was over a year ago. My takeaway was that you were a very scummy towny, and I correctly read you both times. I played exactly like this, & and you didn't scumread me in those games. One of the games waa the FORTNIGHT game where half the players were playing this way, and they were all town. It's scum who tend to over explain what they're doing -- scum like to leave a record justifying all their behaviors. What I'm doing is not scummy, neither for me nor in general.

[VP Baltar]

you were actively leading discussion

I was?

[Shoshin]

Leading is the wrong word. You had presence.

[SirCakez]

You played with me before, SirCake. What's different this game?

remind me when? they all blend together

We played a couple games but it was over a year ago. My takeaway was that you were a very scummy towny, and I correctly read you both times. I played exactly like this, & and you didn't scumread me in those games. One of the games waa the FORTNIGHT game where half the players were playing this way, and they were all town. It's scum who tend to over explain what they're doing -- scum like to leave a record justifying all their behaviors. What I'm doing is not scummy, neither for me nor in general.

ok I don't remember those games so I am not using meta here

[Shoshin]

I guess I'll ignore SirCake for now.

[Noraa]

you were a very scummy towny

I agree with this. datisi is one of the few players that I always SR for some reason :/

[Noraa]

you were a very scummy towny

I agree with this. datisi is one of the few players that I always SR for some reason :/

Oh nvm it was about cake.

[innocentvillager]

Datisi is town

[unwnd]

Yes

The game is boring at the surface level for me, I'm not interested in what people type most of the time. I think it's all very easy to fake, therefore I look for tells that aren't explicit such as someone's timing or their delivery. I think scum are more likely to process their posts and even use rhetoric to give off a certain vibe, while townies are shamefully honest and full of mistakes. When it comes to you midway, my issue with reading you is that you seem afraid of mistakes. You'd rather comfortably sideline and say things like 'people are too quick to give reads' but I think that's both unhelpful and lazy. I stand by what I said earlier: Post whatever you want as long as it doesn't start to become hyperposting. You seem very afraid of being judged for a wrong read and I'm not sure if it's because you think you should really really think about them when there's about 283 posts (e.g You don't understand the concept of D1), or you're nervous for scum reasons; Right now I lean the latter.

Midway's not a newbie, no?

Yes, that actually underlines the problem

[Datisi]

Datisi is town

who are you and what have you done with iv

[unwnd]

I don't think this game is going much places, I agree with Shoshin in spirit but I don't want to end up just with my own thoughts. I think Dat/Noraa are still town and that's basically where I've been since the last time I've posted.

VP, your engagement level towards me is interesting but I too am not ready to call what it means exactly. You started off with saying that you caught me in that marathon yet I think marathons bode well with just gut feelings. It doesn't seem like you're thinking like that however towards me

[Shoshin]

Nora, you know that my reads are very good as town. I'm the sort of player you BoP before lynching. Why don't you care if I'm lynched?

[Noraa]

Nora, you know that my reads are very good as town. I'm the sort of player you BoP before lynching. Why don't you care if I'm lynched?

I do know this. I highly doubt VP or Peta have bad reads tho.