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[Flavor Leaf]

@FL I want to know why you think OWER is town and I'm scum.

I don’t. I’m still waiting for the lurkers.

I gave my reads based on Wagonomics, but I’ve already posted those. You can reread my iso.

[Flavor Leaf]

You guys are acting like the wagonomics I posted reads about were cut and dry, they’re only about 30% for my total read.

[superbowl9]

off the back of post 420, I'm willing to give OutWorldER another day.

Wow really? I thought 420 was pretty bad

nah I liked it - good effort and sensible response. My struggle with him remains that he feels way different here to the last game we played where he was town.

Felt to me very standoffish and almost aggressive? Not what I'd expect from town who just quickhammered a pr, but exactly what I'd expect from scum who did such. To each their own though

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s why it’s totally acceptable for me to think 1 to 2 scum are on the wagon, but not impossible that none are.

I don’t think one or the other, BM, I think all of it, one of them is the correct answer, i need the lurkers to post to figure it out.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry, FL, but your locktowning of OWER lost some credibility with me. Either you're scum or you're not taking the game seriously.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Outer and myself is exactly where scum would be pushing right now after Day 1. I don’t think it’s the correct scum play, which is why I think there’s a scum pushing one of us right now.

[Battle Mage]

I have had absolutely zero OMGUS this game.

Having actual reasons to vote someone who is going against you is not OMGUS. OMGUS is voting or

pushing someone specifically because they pushed you

.

remind me why you think I'm scum again?

I'm being slightly disingenuous when I say "remind me", because I don't think you've said yet, and that's one reason I called out your OMGUS. Not that OMGUS really means much. So I don't know really why you're going to such lengths to deny it?

[superbowl9]

oh you were talking about our votes coming shortly after yours FL? my b

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, FL, but your locktowning of OWER lost some credibility with me. Either you're scum or you're not taking the game seriously.

Do not care.

I also haven’t lock Towned Outer, so yet again, you are misrepping.

Me town reading someone does not equal lock town.

I said lock town img outer as a joke because of the hammer, do I think Outer is townie? Yes. Are they lock town? No.

I’ve also specifically caught people out as scum because I’ve town read them.

My reads do not equal if i think they are town or scum. It’s not that surface level.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That makes no sense. If there is a miselim D1 you should be pushing those who cauesed it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have had absolutely zero OMGUS this game.

Having actual reasons to vote someone who is going against you is not OMGUS. OMGUS is voting or

pushing someone specifically because they pushed you

.

remind me why you think I'm scum again?

I'm being slightly disingenuous when I say "remind me", because I don't think you've said yet, and that's one reason I called out your OMGUS. Not that OMGUS really means much. So I don't know really why you're going to such lengths to deny it?

Eh, i don’t remember either. I don’t know if that’s a good sign, or a bad sign, but i don’t feel like pushing you :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

That makes no sense. If there is a miselim D1 you should be pushing those who cauesed it.

I agree.

And I have pushed you, Titus, and Super Bowl as likely having scum in it.

Outer did not cause the misfade, Ben was already at E-1.

Scum is far more likely in that 3 spot helping to build the wagon than end it in the most obvious way like Outer.

[superbowl9]

FTR NPOM I think FL's reasoning on this isn't bad and is pretty consistent with their general mindset so I don't see scum motivation there. I just 100% disagree with it but I understand his side of the argument

[Battle Mage]

I have had absolutely zero OMGUS this game.

Having actual reasons to vote someone who is going against you is not OMGUS. OMGUS is voting or

pushing someone specifically because they pushed you

.

remind me why you think I'm scum again?

I'm being slightly disingenuous when I say "remind me", because I don't think you've said yet, and that's one reason I called out your OMGUS. Not that OMGUS really means much. So I don't know really why you're going to such lengths to deny it?

Eh, i don’t remember either. I don’t know if that’s a good sign, or a bad sign, but i don’t feel like pushing you :shrug:

why would you feel like pushing me though? you havent suggested i've done anything scummy thus far, so the continued inference/threat you might push me, because I called your alignment into doubt, just feels a bit odd eh?

[superbowl9]

I hate VCA

[Battle Mage]

My reads do not equal if i think they are town or scum. It’s not that surface level.

[NoPowerOverMe]

OWER was the one most directly responsible for the fade. Any suggestion otherwise is an attempt to push suspicion away from him

@SB: Please elaborate on FL's mindset.

[Battle Mage]

I will confess that my reads do correspond with what i actually think, most of the time. I'm just that surface level.

[Flavor Leaf]

Disagree

[Flavor Leaf]

OWER was the one most directly responsible for the fade. Any suggestion otherwise is an attempt to push suspicion away from him

@SB: Please elaborate on FL's mindset.

Disagree

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve just town read and defended so many scum in my day as town early game, I know not to trust that. Late game, my reads are generally amazing. That’s why it’s hard for me to be scum and not end the game early, because if I’m alive late game, i should have solved the game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I specifically said we should discuss before hammering. Then OWER hammered. So how are those further back on the wagon more responsible?

[Flavor Leaf]

If people weren’t okay with a Ben fade, shouldnt have gotten him to E-1.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s also convenient you’re talking like that, because you were the vote that caused him to self vote. He was even pushing your slot.

[NoPowerOverMe]

He voted himself and got himself hammered. Usually putting someone at L2 isn't an indication you want them eliminated immediately.