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[Titus]

I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.

what is this supposed to mean?

It's an error. I missed Andres dying.

yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?

like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had died

If nobody died, given Ben flipped roleblocker, a doctor would likely be the save. Since scum don't shoot people with bad reads (generally), it makes more sense to double down on reads.

This generally is odd.

Why the qualifier Titus?

Because there are two reasons where town with bad reads get killed

1) No one has good reads/wifom
2) Scum kill someone they cannot misfade over read accuracy.

These two options generally don't happen night 1 but are possible.

[TheGoldenParadox]

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superbowl9

(4): Flavor Leaf, hessian, NoPowerOverMe, Battle Mage

NoPowerOverMe

(2): OutWorldER, Alchemist21

Titus

(1): MathBlade

OutWorldER

(1): superbowl9

Battle Mage

(1): Titus

Flavor Leaf

(1): JohnnyFarrar

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(1): Rannygazoo

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[MathBlade]

Lmao there’s more than that.

1) Town with bad reads gets killed because it reinforces bad reads. It forces those with good reads to go “WTF why am I not dead?”
2) Null kill because they like the gamestate
3) Thought they were a PR

Any of those are possible here. Why are you so bad? In prior games you’ve done 1 and 2 before.

[Titus]

I've done a lot before. In practice, people rarely care about dead players reads. Anything is possible. I'm sure if things were brainstormed, we could come up with more reasons why scum may kill town with bad reads.

They generally don't, which is a point against superbowl. It would be much stronger if they didn't pass through obvtown to do it.

[MathBlade]

I've done a lot before. In practice, people rarely care about dead players reads. Anything is possible. I'm sure if things were brainstormed, we could come up with more reasons why scum may kill town with bad reads.

They generally don't, which is a point against superbowl. It would be much stronger if they didn't pass through obvtown to do it.

Who do you define as “obvTown”?

[MathBlade]

however, Battle Mage can attest, I'm always down for a good mass claim.

haha yes!

I can kick off - I'm a Neighbour (formerly VT) - thanks to our deceased comrade Andres

HA what? this is funny.

Anyone who can counter this should. There are literally no stakes.

I'm townread BM for this, Titus.

Based off this post and who died I am sus of Titus + BM. Andres’s ISO seems to heavily imply they’d neighborize Titus.

Seems like if Titus is scum she liked the gamestate so killed Andres who gave her props and a null kill. The neighbor probably was a coincidence that would happen start of day.

@Titus if you’re town why would Andres neighborize BM instead of you and why are you not analyzing that?

And why didn’t you address this?

[Titus]

I've done a lot before. In practice, people rarely care about dead players reads. Anything is possible. I'm sure if things were brainstormed, we could come up with more reasons why scum may kill town with bad reads.

They generally don't, which is a point against superbowl. It would be much stronger if they didn't pass through obvtown to do it.

Who do you define as “obvTown”?

My EoD 1 reads

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12359200

Going down to Andres was just weird.

My BM read plummeted and my SB read has somewhat improved to would execute but not really SRing him.

[Titus]

however, Battle Mage can attest, I'm always down for a good mass claim.

haha yes!

I can kick off - I'm a Neighbour (formerly VT) - thanks to our deceased comrade Andres

HA what? this is funny.

Anyone who can counter this should. There are literally no stakes.

I'm townread BM for this, Titus.

Based off this post and who died I am sus of Titus + BM. Andres’s ISO seems to heavily imply they’d neighborize Titus.

Seems like if Titus is scum she liked the gamestate so killed Andres who gave her props and a null kill. The neighbor probably was a coincidence that would happen start of day.

@Titus if you’re town why would Andres neighborize BM instead of you and why are you not analyzing that?

And why didn’t you address this?

I missed it.

As for the question, it's literally impossible to answer. I have zero recalled experience with him. So why would he pick BM? I got no clue.

[MathBlade]

Cool you’re EoD reads are garbage.

75% sure at least two reads are wrong. Which reads changed in response to the kill?

[Titus]

I've done a lot before. In practice, people rarely care about dead players reads. Anything is possible. I'm sure if things were brainstormed, we could come up with more reasons why scum may kill town with bad reads.

They generally don't, which is a point against superbowl. It would be much stronger if they didn't pass through obvtown to do it.

Who do you define as “obvTown”?

My EoD 1 reads

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12359200

Going down to Andres was just weird.

My BM read plummeted and my SB read has somewhat improved to would execute but not really SRing him.

I have Flavor as obvtown now too

[Titus]

Cool you’re EoD reads are garbage.

75% sure at least two reads are wrong. Which reads changed in response to the kill?

None. My reads don't change based on NKs usually early.

I want to see what you do with Non's slot. I didn't like it early but I need an active replacement to see if that was right.

[MathBlade]

I've done a lot before. In practice, people rarely care about dead players reads. Anything is possible. I'm sure if things were brainstormed, we could come up with more reasons why scum may kill town with bad reads.

They generally don't, which is a point against superbowl. It would be much stronger if they didn't pass through obvtown to do it.

Who do you define as “obvTown”?

My EoD 1 reads

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12359200

Going down to Andres was just weird.

My BM read plummeted and my SB read has somewhat improved to would execute but not really SRing him.

I have Flavor as obvtown now too

So you have 0 scumreads then?

So your read wall is useless in case you flip. Because if you were obeying it you’d be on me or ranny and not BM. Again what changed in your reads?

Where’s your train?

[MathBlade]

lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

And you didn’t out this immediately with all his thoughts because .....?

Speaking of which do that now.

[MathBlade]

I don’t know the neighbor mechanic. Can’t scum be a neighbor?

They can. It all depends on who the original person targets.

The BM choice is odd and maybe being able to see all of Andres’s thoughts not just selected ones can piece it together.

VOTE: Battle Mage

I will tunnel you to death if you don’t explain.

[Titus]

I've done a lot before. In practice, people rarely care about dead players reads. Anything is possible. I'm sure if things were brainstormed, we could come up with more reasons why scum may kill town with bad reads.

They generally don't, which is a point against superbowl. It would be much stronger if they didn't pass through obvtown to do it.

Who do you define as “obvTown”?

My EoD 1 reads

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12359200

Going down to Andres was just weird.

My BM read plummeted and my SB read has somewhat improved to would execute but not really SRing him.

I have Flavor as obvtown now too

So you have 0 scumreads then?

So your read wall is useless in case you flip. Because if you were obeying it you’d be on me or ranny and not BM. Again what changed in your reads?

Where’s your train?

You asked which reads changed in response to the kill. None did. My reads changed based on play and the wagons I sorted.

BM's play surrounding NPOM and sb wagons was just terrible.

[MathBlade]

Don’t get me wrong I still think Titus is scum but on the off chance she’s town she’s been pushing BM as a distance push and doing so very badly.

[Titus]

I don’t know the neighbor mechanic. Can’t scum be a neighbor?

They can. It all depends on who the original person targets.

The BM choice is odd and maybe being able to see all of Andres’s thoughts not just selected ones can piece it together.

VOTE: Battle Mage

I will tunnel you to death if you don’t explain.

To be fair, I scumread BM and that's an unfair question to him. No one can explain why BM was targeted.

Scumread BM for noise by claiming that but there's no way to know if or why Andres targeted BM.

[Titus]

lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

And you didn’t out this immediately with all his thoughts because .....?

Speaking of which do that now.

Wrong neighbor variant.

[TheGoldenParadox]

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--Please keep this in mind.

[MathBlade]

lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

Aha but it isn’t an unfair question.

Andres divulged reads to BM with his own words.

So asking for said reads is not an unfair question.

With those why BM should be apparent.

[Titus]

lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

Aha but it isn’t an unfair question.

Andres divulged reads to BM with his own words.

So asking for said reads is not an unfair question.

With those why BM should be apparent.

BM is being a smartass there.

There's no possible way Andres divulged anything. Andres would be dead before any PT with BM opened.

[MathBlade]

lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

And you didn’t out this immediately with all his thoughts because .....?

Speaking of which do that now.

Wrong neighbor variant.

Pretty sure it’s not.

Andres and most neighborizers leave end of day reads in their PT as BM alluded to.

[MathBlade]

lol I mean, we have a dead neighbouriser. I can confirm, he targetted me last night. It doesn't confirm my alignment one way or the other. But I can say, via the PT, Andres (like Ben) thought I was the towniest player.

Aha but it isn’t an unfair question.

Andres divulged reads to BM with his own words.

So asking for said reads is not an unfair question.

With those why BM should be apparent.

BM is being a smartass there.

There's no possible way Andres divulged anything. Andres would be dead before any PT with BM opened.

Nope. Hood existed based on TGP’s flip post and says add to.

And why are you defending your scumread? If I am wrong and BM is joking can’t he say so?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I have Flavor as obvtown now too

Well this is boring

[TheGoldenParadox]

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