Yellowstone

[Toogeloo]

Here are my current reads, you nazis.

Who I don't currently want lynched on Day 1:
Toogeloo
Momrangal
MathBlade

Who I don't care if they get lynched on Day 1:
Everyone else

[Horsewoman]

Here are my current reads, you nazis.

Who I don't currently want lynched on Day 1:
Toogeloo
Momrangal
MathBlade

Who I don't care if they get lynched on Day 1:
Everyone else

I mean come on. We just have to get rid of this guy.

[Horsewoman]

Here are my current reads, you nazis.

Who I don't currently want lynched on Day 1:
Toogeloo
Momrangal
MathBlade

Who I don't care if they get lynched on Day 1:
Everyone else

Imagine working hard to contribute all day and still getting eliminated while this guy gets away with blatantly anti-town nonsense like this.

[Toogeloo]

Ok, ok... I guess I might be a little sad if Noraa or Flea got launched Day 1. So I might care a little.

[MathBlade]

I don’t see anything anti town about having reads.

What are yours?

[Infinity 324]

Maybe I shouldn’t read people who don’t give a shit as town, but I do. Toog definitely falls into that category. Drawing attention to the fact that everyone wants to elim him but no one’s voting there feels towny to me too.

[Horsewoman]

His reads are 'myself, the most active player and the conftown mason are town'. You don't see anything anti-town about that?

As I've said before, noraa hardtown, marky mark town, guillotina townlean, AGP null (but getting worse and worse), Momrangal obviously conftown (at least for now), Vaxkiller's entry gave me good vibes but I wouldn't mind seeing more from him. Scummiest players are toog/DGB/fleaaa

I haven't said any of that all in one post but I've expressed all those reads before, which is a lot more than toogeloo has done.

[Marky Mark]

@Toog - as I have asked before, what reads do you have on the playerlist other than HW?

I'll worry about that later.

I would like to know now actually, so that we can see your current view of the gamestate for transparency ahead of flips/NKs. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for your position on more than 1 player.

Speaking of which, where is pig at? I really think that a replacement on that slot would be to everyone's benefit, if they are not going to actively participate.

I wasn't aware that my opinion of multiple players was going to affect the actions of others during the evening so greatly. My apologies.

The point is not particularly that it will change the flow of d1, but that it will provide transparency going into d2.

[Infinity 324]

Toog is definitely being anti-town but that doesn’t mean they’re scum.

[Marky Mark]

The first underline is exactly what I am talking about.

The good chunk of that post is going if Horsewoman is town. I wanted to know why you’re starting from that perspective.

It's not though? The first underline is me musing that it feels unlikely that you are scum and she is town. I really don't quite follow your logic here.

More generally, I think horse is likely scum, but I am not 100% certain. Me calling out you starting to slate up potential scumspects for d2 is not arguing that horse is town here, it is just calling out behaviour that seems sus. I am actually calling you out on a para where you're talking about possible suspects if horse!town, so it's a bit rich to imply that I'm talking about her like she's town off that back of that.

I am just tired and am having trouble explaining.

Where is the other half? Ie what if horse is scum?

My observation was simply that of the four possible combinations of alignments (T/T, T/S, S/T, SS), the specific combo of you being scum and her being town seemed unlikely.

[Horsewoman]

I agree that inactive/anti-town doesn't mean scum. But there are some alignment indicative things here.

More importantly Flea - if you doubt there are masons, then why are you not voting/pushing momrangal, as this would mean by your logic that she was probably fakeclaiming?

What would it serve? There's next to 0 chance that even if someone disbelieves the claim that they get support against it. Claiming a Mason on Day 1 is like claiming IC, but that doesn't mean it should be 100% believed. No other Mason is there to back up the claim, but they also shouldn't.

There's also a chance that he has reason to believe it's fake.

For example, a Cop and Mason's can't really co-exist in a game this size from a balance perspective, so a Cop my be inclined to think it's fake. However, it would be a disservice to claim Cop just to counter Mason's.

***I'm not staying Flea is PR, fishing, or asking for a Copy to come forward.***

Suffice to say, as of right now, a vote on mom does nothing because it won't have support. Mom could still be scum, and may never name a Mason partner for that reason, but today we can at the very least shop around for the rest of the team.

Isn't this post, defending fleaa and casting yet more doubt on the mason claim and also trying to cast flea as a PR, scummy in an alignment indicative manner?

Here are my current reads, you nazis.

Who I don't currently want lynched on Day 1:
Toogeloo
Momrangal
MathBlade

Who I don't care if they get lynched on Day 1:
Everyone else

Aren't these reads blatantly fabricated?

[Horsewoman]

If town was really putting so little effort into the game they couldn't come up with a single read, why would they post a reads list like 1450 when being placed under minimal pressure? It doesn't make sense to me.

[Marky Mark]

@Infinity, who are your SRing here besides DGB? You seem keen to defend Toog/Horse so you must have a pretty different view of the gamestate to most of the plist right now

Horse's push on toog feels like it is grasping for straws (although this does fit with her playstyle of being quite flinchy, so not as AI as it might be on some players). It is getting very late my time, so will sleep on it and hammer in the morning unless there is a gargantuan change in the gamestate

--pedit 1460 is more of a stretch than HW's previous pushes on toog eg trying to insinuate that toog was PR fishing flea rather than talking in hypotheticals

[MathBlade]

His reads are 'myself, the most active player and the conftown mason are town'. You don't see anything anti-town about that?

As I've said before, noraa hardtown, marky mark town, guillotina townlean, AGP null (but getting worse and worse), Momrangal obviously conftown (at least for now), Vaxkiller's entry gave me good vibes but I wouldn't mind seeing more from him. Scummiest players are toog/DGB/fleaaa

I haven't said any of that all in one post but I've expressed all those reads before, which is a lot more than toogeloo has done.

It’s obviously filler, but antitown no. It’s only antitown if you make it out to be antitown. I don’t see anything antitown about it but it is scummy.

[Horsewoman]

I've been pushing toog since before anyone else was pushing him and it's been my longest-standing and most consistent read of the game. As you should be aware.

[MathBlade]

I agree that inactive/anti-town doesn't mean scum. But there are some alignment indicative things here.

More importantly Flea - if you doubt there are masons, then why are you not voting/pushing momrangal, as this would mean by your logic that she was probably fakeclaiming?

What would it serve? There's next to 0 chance that even if someone disbelieves the claim that they get support against it. Claiming a Mason on Day 1 is like claiming IC, but that doesn't mean it should be 100% believed. No other Mason is there to back up the claim, but they also shouldn't.

There's also a chance that he has reason to believe it's fake.

For example, a Cop and Mason's can't really co-exist in a game this size from a balance perspective, so a Cop my be inclined to think it's fake. However, it would be a disservice to claim Cop just to counter Mason's.

***I'm not staying Flea is PR, fishing, or asking for a Copy to come forward.***

Suffice to say, as of right now, a vote on mom does nothing because it won't have support. Mom could still be scum, and may never name a Mason partner for that reason, but today we can at the very least shop around for the rest of the team.

Isn't this post, defending fleaa and casting yet more doubt on the mason claim and also trying to cast flea as a PR, scummy in an alignment indicative manner?

Here are my current reads, you nazis.

Who I don't currently want lynched on Day 1:
Toogeloo
Momrangal
MathBlade

Who I don't care if they get lynched on Day 1:
Everyone else

Aren't these reads blatantly fabricated?

Blatantly fabricated, I’d go with no. Little to no effort probably.

[Horsewoman]

As I said 'His reads are 'myself, the most active player and the conftown mason are town'. It's not just low-effort (although it is), it's a low effort fabrication after being put under consistent pressure last page to give his reads.

[MathBlade]

Toog is definitely being anti-town but that doesn’t mean they’re scum.

If Horse flips town I want Toog plus infinity. I’d hard roll Infinity but it’s way too late for that.

[MathBlade]

As I said 'His reads are 'myself, the most active player and the conftown mason are town'. It's not just low-effort (although it is), it's a low effort fabrication after being put under consistent pressure last page to give his reads.

Meh I don’t see fabrication. I just see he doesn’t give a flying duck. Maybe AI depends on what you flip tbh

[Marky Mark]

I've been pushing toog since before anyone else was pushing him and it's been my longest-standing and most consistent read of the game. As you should be aware.

I was specifically referring to your posts pushing him over the last couple of pages. Apologies if that wasn't very clear.

--pedit. Agreed with math. It's not that the reads seem wrong, its that the reads are scummy because they don't really give away much. Mom is claimed mason and Math has been a proactive and vocal player in pushing the HW wagon so this feels like them playing it very safe

[Marky Mark]

Goodnight all, catch up with you lovely people tomorrow

[MathBlade]

It could be scum IDGAF or town but Toog clearly doesn’t care to give reads.

I kinda got a town ping a sec ago but it’s not enough to override the scum pings tbh.

[Horsewoman]

I've been pushing toog since before anyone else was pushing him and it's been my longest-standing and most consistent read of the game. As you should be aware.

I was specifically referring to your posts pushing him over the last couple of pages. Apologies if that wasn't very clear.

--pedit. Agreed with math. It's not that the reads seem wrong, its that the reads are scummy because they don't really give away much. Mom is claimed mason and Math has been a proactive and vocal player in pushing the HW wagon so this feels like them playing it very safe

Yes exactly, the reads are obviously correct, but they're obviously, comically, safe. That's what I've said.

Toog is definitely being anti-town but that doesn’t mean they’re scum.

If Horse flips town I want Toog plus infinity. I’d hard roll Infinity but it’s way too late for that.

I think you're coming around to the idea that I'm going to flip town (because I am). Let's just do toog now.

[MathBlade]

I dunno. One ping doesn’t overlay a lot of evidence.

[Infinity 324]

@Infinity, who are your SRing here besides DGB? You seem keen to defend Toog/Horse so you must have a pretty different view of the gamestate to most of the plist right now

I don’t have any other real scumreads. There’s probably at least 1 scum in {AGP, flea, vacuum}, and I’m likely wrong on at least 1 townread (which is everyone else).

If I’m up for it I may try to explain a bit better why I scumread DGB, but it looks like it might be too late.