TENET - Game Over

[Annie Edison]

I feel weird about yesterday now?

It’s tough to articulate, plus I feel like Cabd and ffery are seeing something I’m not. I’m not hankering to elim bell but I wouldn’t actively oppose it.

[Annie Edison]

UNVOTE: turnstile

Obtusebear don’t make me come over there with the ruler

[Brian Skies]

I think Shelly was being truthful when she said what happens when they exist in the same thread.

You still thought she could've been lying about that despite her flipping green?

[Hench Princesses]

Let’s get this turnstile knocked out guys.

I’m currently at-

Won’t touch-
Titus
Dunn
Brian
Gypyx

Hesitate to-
Spiffeh
Bell

Meh-
Muffin
A50
Hench

Tiers aren’t in order

why are you enthusiastic about the turnstile when a50 is meh not scum

I have mixed feelings about this readslist. I like gx, do not get why titus is 'untouchable' do not get why you downgraded bell, and am at a loss as to why I am 'meh' to you

-E

[Hench Princesses]

I feel weird about yesterday now?

It’s tough to articulate, plus I feel like Cabd and ffery are seeing something I’m not. I’m not hankering to elim bell but I wouldn’t actively oppose it.

This post is just weird after yesterday tbh

-E

[Brian Skies]

while true, there's no guarantee the game lasts until re-combine. If we don't hit red we lose before then.

What? No.

Assuming there are no extra flips to account for, then we would be at 8v6. Granted, that's still a really shitty spot to be at. But not game-ending.

[Hench Princesses]

while true, there's no guarantee the game lasts until re-combine. If we don't hit red we lose before then.

What? No.

Assuming there are no extra flips to account for, then we would be at 8v6. Granted, that's still a really shitty spot to be at. But not game-ending.

Oh true I was off a bit

-E

[Annie Edison]

I think Shelly was being truthful when she said what happens when they exist in the same thread.

You still thought she could've been lying about that despite her flipping green?

No, but I was answering a question directed my way.

@Hench-
I explained bell.
A50 is the result of me having no real solid leans either way bc I know I tend to scumread his play normally. But the Russians demand it and so I must provide.
You’re just PoE- you can do the same stuff I do until the cows come home but when it comes down to it my other reads are stronger than you.
Titus has just felt... genuine? I think that’s a good way to describe it. It’s my first town game with new Titus so it is a learning curve, but I just get the overarching good vibes from her posting.

[Annie Edison]

I think you underestimate how much stock I put in my town blocks reads when thinking of my own, frankly.

[Brian Skies]

There are a decent number of players here that think A50 is scum. So sending him over is probably the best play, especially since I think it'd be better than having him eliminated.

If the other thread eliminates him, then that is not my problem. But I would like to think there are other reasons why they're requesting A50 specifically.

[Brian Skies]

Superb is trying to get skitter over here.

I don't understand why he's so adamant about this, tbh.

Don't plenty of players over there want to eliminate Skitter? And sending Skitter over here just so we can 'eliminate Skitter for them' feels like he's just trying to drive a wedge into the townblock plan (which, after the Shelly flip, I'm less enthused about but still interested in at least trying for it anyway). We'd literally just be losing one turnstile (and Firebringer said he doesn't even want to come over anymore).

I don't really understand why the other side has him as their Purple Room candidate.

[Annie Edison]

Brian I’m pretty sure I know why. Trust me on this for now.

But yeah, sending over skitter is the big dumb.

[Brian Skies]

You still think A50 is a PR even though he's fine getting turnstiled Brian?

Idr seeing an A50 post this day phase. Did I miss this?

Ah! So you most probably missed my request from you:

@Annie & @Brian: Could you both please brief me with your reads on the thread I'm about to join? Who are your top SR(s)?

Yes.

I responded to it here.

[Brian Skies]

Brian I’m pretty sure I know why. Trust me on this for now.

But yeah, sending over skitter is the big dumb.

I agree that Skitter being sent over is bad. I'd rather they just eliminated her instead of just sending her over here for us to do it for them.

[Brian Skies]

Supposedly I'm supposed to be towncasing Pooky right now, but I don't feel particularly motivated to do it.

[Annie Edison]

(It’s your subconscious telling you he might not be town)

[Brian Skies]

I will be right behind you dude

This is hilarious in retrospect.

[Hench Princesses]

I explained bell.
A50 is the result of me having no real solid leans either way bc I know I tend to scumread his play normally. But the Russians demand it and so I must provide.
You’re just PoE- you can do the same stuff I do until the cows come home but when it comes down to it my other reads are stronger than you.
Titus has just felt... genuine? I think that’s a good way to describe it. It’s my first town game with new Titus so it is a learning curve, but I just get the overarching good vibes from her posting.

I'm just trying to reconcile me trying to get you to reconcile bell yesterday with your reconsideration of him today... like, me, scorpia, and shelly all agreed that his initial game looked scummy even if me and shelly eventually agreed he'd probably left his scumrange midway through the day. I never got your early insistence he was town and I don't get you considering him possible scum today when if anything I think it's way easier to find him town now.

The thing about Titus is... I have [cannot discuss in detail] played with Titus on this account, and she felt pretty different than she does here. So I can't just handwave that this is 'new titus' ... when I talk about titus meta, I mean like, her playstyle a month ago. I can't discuss this more other than to register that I don't find "new Titus" a completely satisfactory answer for why she feels off her town meta. I am of course also referring to like, 10 other games with her with us as both alignments. I do agree that this feels like 'new Titus' but don't know why that means she's town. (even if scorpia kinda agrees with the sense of your read here, and part of me does too, but I get cautious with you positioning her at your top)

Also I don't know what you mean by I do the same stuff you do? I feel like our playstyles are almost opposite...

-E

[Annie Edison]

As I said, my placing in those lists are arbitrary and thrown together while I was chopping onions. I’ve played one scum game on a team with Titus post hiatus. So I’m feeling her out as I go. As I said, I found her incredibly genuine thus far.

Regarding bell, his stance in my reads still is I think he’s town just I wouldn’t go out of my way to argue it down.

And the “You’d be absolutely stupid to elim me here” is like vintage me

[Brian Skies]

I still think Pooky's town. I just don't feel like writing a case on him that will probably be ignored anyway.

What are the reasons he's being scumread?

He was active elsewhere.

Well, sure. But if I were in multiple games, I would probably be neglecting one or more of them as well and prioritizing the ones I think matter more at the time. Pooky's activity spike kinda sorta came when I expected it to and I feel like players like Cabd and Ffery would be able to figure out why.

He came over to this side and immediately started pushing Flavor Leaf, which is weird and implies he was just struggling being in the first thread.

This is the tea and crumpets thread. Pretty sure we're all struggling finding scum (except Pisskop, he was very probably scum and I mean that).
He also already implied a Flavor Leaf scumread in this thread before going over and Flavor Leaf was being scummy af anyway. And from what I can tell, all of Pooky's content when he went over revolved around what he knew (or what I can expect him to know) while he was here. Did he start slinging reads everywhere in the new thread right away? Not really. So I don't really get the same impression people have been spinning about Pooky.

He pushed Flavor Leaf and was wrong.

So if you guys eliminate Pooky and are wrong, we should just chain eliminations down that wagon and eliminate you all because only scum can be wrong?
Should we eliminate Bell because he was 'convinced' Shelly was scum and she actually flipped Green?
This is just a silly reason and I hope the players who are scumreading him have more to go on than this.

He also stated a Shelly townread here in spite of her being in all of our POE pools, which I'm going to give him some super special bonus townpoints for, especially since he gave us that info after we shipped him out. And I don't really see anything that rings out as scummy to me. And I've gotten a fair amount of townvibes from his posts.

And his decision to turnstile out may have been predicated on his interactions with Hench Princesses around here and here.

[Brian Skies]

Supposedly I'm supposed to be towncasing Pooky right now, but I don't feel particularly motivated to do it.

Extra Credit awarded for doing it in the style of a Hallmark Christmas Movie script

I wish I'd have seen this first, but I don't really watch Hallmark movies (or even have a TV for what it's worth). And supposedly all Hallmark movies pretty much follow the same plot anyway.

[Annie Edison]

Brian what changes if any do you have for my list

[Hench Princesses]

And the “You’d be absolutely stupid to elim me here” is like vintage me

ah lmao

damn now you make me want to hydra. maybe when this game ends if I don't siteflake again

-E

[Brian Skies]

My list would probably look something like this (it's actually way shorter than I thought it'd be):

Towniest
Annie Edison
Spiffeh
Bell

Would Punt, Not Interested In Eliminating
Almost50

Less Town
Dunnstral
Titus
Hench Princesses

Still in the Back of my Freezer
zMuffinMan

Waffletown
Gypyx

I still dislike Spiffeh's desire to eliminate A50 and am unsure if this is just scum-him honing in on a PR and either trying to fish it out or eliminate it. But I still feel like his overall play tends to lean towards town for me, so he's definitely not in my consideration pool.

Pretty sure someone mentioned Titus replaced unwnd. This isn't true. She replaced Sirius. I originally placed Sirius as leantown based on his entrance into the game, but I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that he actually prefers town. I still townread him based off his early play. But there were some pretty weird things Titus said after coming in that make me question if she were being serious or just trying to feign some sort of moonlogic here. I've generally liked her posting this game, which I do find somewhat concerning since I usually butt heads with her. Supposedly NachoTammy thinks end of Day 1 implies Titus town, and I'm not really sure what they mean. If they just mean the stuff regarding Shelly's claim, I disagree since NachoTammy almost immediately questioned Shelly's roleclaim and Titus could've just reacted appropriately based on what she saw.

A50 I'm gambling on being town.

I'm actually not huge on Dunn being town. I need to revisit unwnd's posts this game. I townbinned unwnd early based on early effort, but I wasn't a huge fan of him opposing the potential of a townblock early and I guess I can sorta see a player replacing out in frustration as either alignment.

I still feel like HP was hard-buddying me. Also feels like they're trying to fish for townreads.

I'm unsure if Muffin seriously thinks Gyx is scum here or is just OMGUS'ing Gyx.

[Hench Princesses]

what shows/anime/tv do you watch NS?

-E