Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.04

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Ahsoka [2]:

Gimli son of Glóin, DkKoba

Not_Mafia [1]:

Raya36

clidd [1]:

volxen

DkKoba [1]:

Radja

Radja [1]:

Not_Mafia

volxen [1]:

clidd

Not Voting [2]:

Horsewoman, Ahsoka

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[Gimli son of Glóin]

Not Voting [2]: Horsewoman, Ahsoka

[Gimli son of Glóin]

VOTE: horsewoman come play

[Ahsoka]

Look at that hard discredit train of Gimli, just chop chop chopping me down.

That might actually be scum indicative. He made the choice to push further, almost unnecessarily, in a nitpicky fashion like the italics. Seems like they want to keep momentum going on me.

where did clidd misrepresent you?

So you don't have any strong read that you like to talk and that's ok because it's page 6 and I'm the villain for wanting to force something that theoretically you would not be able to deliver bc you're town and town don't have real reads early game. Is that it?

Who said you're the villain?

[Ahsoka]

I vote when it's time for me to vote.

[Not_Mafia]

Radja is still obvscum

[clidd]

Me reading Volxen's posts:

[Raya36]

So you don't have any strong read that you like to talk and that's ok because it's page 6 and I'm the villain for wanting to force something that theoretically you would not be able to deliver bc you're town and town don't have real reads early game. Is that it?

I don't like clidd twisting this to make it sound like he was being targeted. I never interpreted anything Ahsoka said as calling him a villain or even sussing him.
I'm going to move over here VOTE: clidd

pedit: I feel like a villain by the tone you approached the subject, but don't worry.

The tone felt fine to me too. Maybe just because it wasn't directed at me but I don't see how it made him feel like a villain.

I'm a little worried this is setting up for pushing but I guess we'll see.

I usually push players who are vocally weaker compared to me as scum, and Volxen doesn't fit that criteria.

Unless I have a specific context for pushing a player that is vocally difficult to eliminate (as I did on partition with ABR)

After our last game together -- where we were both town and I incorrectly scumread you early on in the game because I was suspicious of your "easy" townread on me -- I think it's plausible that scum!you would be aggressive towards my slot and push me in the beginning. You know I'm skeptical of people who townread me if I can't follow their reasoning. So if anything, I would expect scum!you to err on the side of being too aggressive towards my slot (rather than whiteknight me), at least initially, because you could always pull back later and have your read of me "evolve" into a townread if I started to become more widely townread.

I don't know if scum!you would necessarily deathtunnel me, but I am convinced after our last game together that scum!you would be very cautious with things like the timing of when you might fake a townread on me and your fake reasons for doing so, because you know that I would call you out on it if I felt that your reasons for townreading me were not genuine.

So I don't buy this narrative at all that scum!you would always start off by pushing the less vocal slots.

Then this further supports my point earlier that clidd might be setting up a push.

[clidd]

I'm a little worried this is setting up for pushing but I guess we'll see.

I usually push players who are vocally weaker compared to me as scum, and Volxen doesn't fit that criteria.

Unless I have a specific context for pushing a player that is vocally difficult to eliminate (as I did on partition with ABR)

After our last game together -- where we were both town and I incorrectly scumread you early on in the game because I was suspicious of your "easy" townread on me -- I think it's plausible that scum!you would be aggressive towards my slot and push me in the beginning. You know I'm skeptical of people who townread me if I can't follow their reasoning. So if anything, I would expect scum!you to err on the side of being too aggressive towards my slot (rather than whiteknight me), at least initially, because you could always pull back later and have your read of me "evolve" into a townread if I started to become more widely townread.

I don't know if scum!you would necessarily deathtunnel me, but I am convinced after our last game together that scum!you would be very cautious with things like the timing of when you might fake a townread on me and your fake reasons for doing so, because you know that I would call you out on it if I felt that your reasons for townreading me were not genuine.

So I don't buy this narrative at all that scum!you would always start off by pushing the less vocal slots.

You basically said what I wanted to hear. I would suspect if you ignored the connection to our past game, even though you were in hydra shape there. The premise of scum!Clidd cautiously suspecting town!Volxen for knowing how the town!Volxen townread process works is correct.

[clidd]

185 -

This is a personal impression, as I mentioned earlier. The red parts were to see what kind of reaction you would have to my accusation.

I'm not sure why the timing of me expanding this issue sooner or later would be relevant, considering that you haven't yet interacted significantly with me.
But with your latest posts, I'm having towny vibes with the descriptions of your line of reasoning.

[Raya36]

I'm a little worried this is setting up for pushing but I guess we'll see.

I usually push players who are vocally weaker compared to me as scum, and Volxen doesn't fit that criteria.

Unless I have a specific context for pushing a player that is vocally difficult to eliminate (as I did on partition with ABR)

After our last game together -- where we were both town and I incorrectly scumread you early on in the game because I was suspicious of your "easy" townread on me -- I think it's plausible that scum!you would be aggressive towards my slot and push me in the beginning. You know I'm skeptical of people who townread me if I can't follow their reasoning. So if anything, I would expect scum!you to err on the side of being too aggressive towards my slot (rather than whiteknight me), at least initially, because you could always pull back later and have your read of me "evolve" into a townread if I started to become more widely townread.

I don't know if scum!you would necessarily deathtunnel me, but I am convinced after our last game together that scum!you would be very cautious with things like the timing of when you might fake a townread on me and your fake reasons for doing so, because you know that I would call you out on it if I felt that your reasons for townreading me were not genuine.

So I don't buy this narrative at all that scum!you would always start off by pushing the less vocal slots.

You basically said what I wanted to hear. I would suspect if you ignored the connection to our past game, even though you were in hydra shape there. The premise of scum!Clidd cautiously suspecting town!Volxen for knowing how the town!Volxen townread process works is correct.

So you're confirming my suspicions earlier were valid now that you're called out, when earlier you denied that you would try to go after Volxen.

[clidd]

I'm vibing with Volxen, he towntell already.

You're the next I want to sort.

VOTE: Ahsoka

I wanted DK before you, but knowing the nature of who you are, my priority has changed.

[clidd]

Yes, Raya. I had to keep up appearances until Volxen reacted to me.

[Raya36]

I'm not buying that everything was just a reaction test

[clidd]

Not everything, but it worked for me.

[clidd]

I mean, I may be making this up now because I finally got a read on Volxen, but this is something I could do in both alignments.

[Raya36]

What exactly did Volxen calling out your lie about not pushing him do? Why would scum!Volxen ignore that? (besides you two being partners). How does calling it out make him townier?

[clidd]

One thing I realized about Volxen after losing to scum!him and playing with town!he is that there is an expressive superficiality when he creates reads as scum.

The fact that I was able to perfectly align my understanding with his line of reasoning is an indication, for me, of genuineness that I attribute to town!Volxen.

Not saying that I am absolutely correct, but it is the prevailing impression at the moment.

[Raya36]

I get that but I'm talking about the specific context of him calling out your lie about you not pushing him. Regardless of his alignment, him calling you out on that is truth therefore you wouldn't be able to detect that superficiality if he was scum and it should be genuine.

[clidd]

An example of this type of impression is this post (

town!volxen

):

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12060913

I can feel it when Volxen presents a line of reasoning that I look at and think ''gee, this analysis is super towny, I think I would think the same if we switch places''.

Unlike this, for example (

scum!volxen

):

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11618440

Where I can smell superficiality 1 km away.

[clidd]

I get that but I'm talking about the specific context of him calling out your lie about you not pushing him. Regardless of his alignment, him calling you out on that is truth therefore you wouldn't be able to detect that superficiality if he was scum and it should be genuine.

I think that logically, you're right.

The point is that I am taking more of an approach with I am feeling in relation to what he is posting and whether the line of reasoning seems to me towny or scummy.

[Raya36]

I agree that there's quite an apparent difference in those two posts but what makes his post in question fit into either category when it's truthful regardless of alignment. The reasoning is good of course and it looks more like the town example but that could simply be because it's the truth. There's no reason for him to lie about that as scum which would make it very easy to even unintentionally fake the town example.

[Raya36]

The way I'm seeing it is that you got called out and now you're pretending it was a reaction test all along, reason being that I don't see how that particular reaction test can give you a a reaction pointing either way since all he gave was a truth that he has no reason to hide regardless of alignment. And while I get that his post appears more like his town posts, there is reason for this besides him being town and I don't think you should be townreading him for that.

[DkKoba]

i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)

also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu

[clidd]

So you are saying that he can sound towny because he is addressing a topic where he would not need to lie regardless of alignment and me having a tr on him at this point based on impressions of genuine is not valid because he can be scum being genuine and he called me out correctly in my line of action as scum!clidd and now i'm pretending it was part of my plan to get a reaction from him. I got it.