Yellowstone

[Noraa]

Jacko its 4 am :O
get some sleep!

Nah fam I start work at 4:30 am

:O that's too early!

[Marky Mark]

Jacko its 4 am :O
get some sleep!

Nah fam I start work at 4:30 am

Are you like a farmer or something? That's a pretty hardcore start time

[Noraa]

Hey all

Looks like the day started just after I went to bed last night and then was locked by the time I had woken up - see my previous wry comments about the mafiascum experience for European players

G's been stretching today, I'm not gonna lie.

As I understand it, Vax is either:
PGO -> means Flea died from visiting them -> means either G is scum or scum no-killed to frame G
Not PGO-> means scum killed Flea and Vax is 90% scum because why would town!vax lie about their role

I've still not heard back from Vax ref why they didn't claim D1 fwiw

--pedit lolwat from math. In this scenario either Vax or G is scum 90% so why look elsewhere?

this is my exact thought process :O

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson, I am conftown to you.

I stopped the scum's NK, no one knows this more clearly than you.

You're close but far from fully conftown.

If Vax did receive the PGO message which we can tell soon enough then DGB scum becomes less likely but still possible. It’s not something I wanna consider today if he did.

I don't fully understand why this a response to that post but sure.
I do think DGB is a possible scum as I said in my wall, but I do think that they're Town at least for now since a possible gambit is probably the last thing I want to eliminate someone for.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jacko its 4 am :O
get some sleep!

Nah fam I start work at 4:30 am

Are you like a farmer or something? That's a pretty hardcore start time

First day back on the farm actually

[Marky Mark]

Like I guess you could have Vax as town PGO and scum no-kill to frame G (regardless of whether DGB is scum or not), but that seems somewhat sub-optimal for scum

--pedit @JV - nice!

[MathBlade]

if Flea died to the PGO then Guillo is scum? or are there other possibilities?

There are many possibilities, the likely one is that one is likely scum between the two regardless of the Masonry's investigative.

Speaking of which,

@Masons

, do you see my logic behind there being not impossible double goon game? Albeit if you don't think it's as likely, do you think it's possible given my examples etc?

I get double goon is possible, that’d just be a really townsided setup. Mafiascum does do that on occasion but I don’t see it as likely here so I would rather elim Nora.

By reads I kinda prefer G more since some of the word choice is similar between G and Pig.
By mechanics and votes I prefer Nora. I don’t see two goons as likely here.

[Noraa]

Ok what shitty investigative did you use on me that can't even clear me?

[MathBlade]

Hey all

Looks like the day started just after I went to bed last night and then was locked by the time I had woken up - see my previous wry comments about the mafiascum experience for European players

G's been stretching today, I'm not gonna lie.

As I understand it, Vax is either:
PGO -> means Flea died from visiting them -> means either G is scum or scum no-killed to frame G
Not PGO-> means scum killed Flea and Vax is 90% scum because why would town!vax lie about their role

I've still not heard back from Vax ref why they didn't claim D1 fwiw

--pedit lolwat from math. In this scenario either Vax or G is scum 90% so why look elsewhere?

You’re missing a possibility here on Vax -> PGO here.

The 90% is wrong.

[MathBlade]

Like I guess you could have Vax as town PGO and scum no-kill to frame G (regardless of whether DGB is scum or not), but that seems somewhat sub-optimal for scum

--pedit @JV - nice!

There is another option.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is all useless until we see if anything changed from the lock.

FYI mod msgd me, said there was a mistake. I received a picnic basket last night.

I'll be on later tonight, christmas stuff with fam now

Hilarious timing, but yeah okay that makes more sense now. Hard to fake semi-mod confirmed changes lmfaooo

[MathBlade]

Ok what shitty investigative did you use on me that can't even clear me?

Why do you and DGB care so much as to what investigatives we are if you’re town?

[Marky Mark]

@Math - so you think Vax is legit Town PGO and G was framed by scum no-killing? That is the only train of thought I could see that would lead to voting Noraa here

--pedit OK, what other option

[JacksonVirgo]

Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

Can I ask what receiving a fruit vendor notif changes your view on wanting to elim Vax?

[MathBlade]

@Math - so you think Vax is legit Town PGO and G was framed by scum no-killing? That is the only train of thought I could see that would lead to voting Noraa here

--pedit OK, what other option

One of the VT claims is a secret protective. It’s possible. Or scum intentionally killed Flea to try to setup Vax to make us lose a day in case Flea didn’t visit Vax.

[Noraa]

Ok what shitty investigative did you use on me that can't even clear me?

Why do you and DGB care so much as to what investigatives we are if you’re town?

cuz why tf would u use something on me that doesn't even do jackshit?
like if I'm conftown, that'd be bomb.
but if u use a damn investigative on me and then kill me the next day, its a whole damn waste of a night action.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey all

Looks like the day started just after I went to bed last night and then was locked by the time I had woken up - see my previous wry comments about the mafiascum experience for European players

G's been stretching today, I'm not gonna lie.

As I understand it, Vax is either:
PGO -> means Flea died from visiting them -> means either G is scum or scum no-killed to frame G
Not PGO-> means scum killed Flea and Vax is 90% scum because why would town!vax lie about their role

I've still not heard back from Vax ref why they didn't claim D1 fwiw

--pedit lolwat from math. In this scenario either Vax or G is scum 90% so why look elsewhere?

I am glad I'm not the only one catching Guill's fall from grace and yeah I think Math's logic is wack as I've said in the wall and I believe we catch at least one scum if we yeet both Guill and Vax, unless other information arises that stops us.

Although it's still possible scum cross-killed as a lot of people apparently missed Flea's claim or even killed to not clear the PGO, both are fairly weak WIFOM arguments though.

[JacksonVirgo]

Math are you holding back the Noraa info?

[Marky Mark]

I would favour a Vax elim here. If I was gonna vote outside Vax/G (which seems foolish to me when 1 of the 2 is scum in most realistic circs) I would probably look at infin ahead of Noraa

@Noraa - I guess if the masons have rolecop (which is what it sounds like) then checking a claimed VT is worthwhile in case you get a non-vanilla result

[Infinity 324]

Math is ++town by play imo, if there's scum outside {vax, guillo, noraa} it's
DGB

except you just called me town a hot second ago so why am I even in a pool of scumbuckets?

Because we have a lot of confirmed/semi-confirmed roles

[Marky Mark]

I would vote Vax here, but its been 15 pages since a VC so I'm just gonna wait until there's another to avoid an inadvertant lolhammer

[MathBlade]

Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

Can I ask what receiving a fruit vendor notif changes your view on wanting to elim Vax?

Assuming it’s true then the plan to likely confirm Vax as PGO worked.

Scum really shouldn’t kill Flea here by numbers unless being silly.

PoE leaves Nora, G, DGB, Infinity

Marky Mark was likely conf based on VT claim
Jackson likely conf based on N1 vig
We’re masons

That’s 4 townies there. 2/3 scum left.
Add Vax becomes 5. Vax can’t be killed except by some sort of scum powers like maybe ninja depending upon how it’s worded maybe not.

So we’re looking at 5 lock!townies into today.
Assume miselim here
Then a lock Townie dies

4 lock townies into tomorrow 3 in scum pool possible
Scum have no room to breathe and Vax goes to elo.

[Noraa]

Math is ++town by play imo, if there's scum outside {vax, guillo, noraa} it's
DGB

except you just called me town a hot second ago so why am I even in a pool of scumbuckets?

Because we have a lot of confirmed/semi-confirmed roles

well unless the scum team is just Vax/Guillo, something went really wrong.

[MathBlade]

Math are you holding back the Noraa info?

Yes.

For reasons.

[Marky Mark]

Will be on later tonight but imminently about to order/eat curry, almost certainly followed by an extended curry-induced food coma

--pedit: thanks for the explanation. I will look at Vax and G's slots and weigh up which looks scummier. IMO, I could see either as scum here even outside of PR mechanics so I would be v reticent to vote outside of that pairing