Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.07

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Radja [3]:

Not_Mafia, DkKoba, Horsewoman

Ahsoka [2]:

clidd, Radja

clidd [2]:

volxen, Raya36

Horsewoman [1]:

Gimli son of Glóin

Not Voting [1]:

Ahsoka

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[clidd]

Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.

I also found towny the way she approached my slot.

It reflected as genuine in the sense that she had reasons that, when I was trying to put myself in her place, made sense from a perspective of "I want to try to know your alignment", which is something that I also assimilated a little to the impression I had of Gimli. I don't think the fact that I was her scumpartner in our past game has any influence on that, because at no time did she create a parallel between the two games to justify the push in isolation (which is another positive thing imo).

Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

You don't need to detail or make a wallpost, but I would be grateful if I could see what has changed in your reads after the last events.

[Raya36]

Raises Dkk because they also saw Radja being opportunistic.

Gimli switching is town.

So Gimli/Dkk both town, likely, that's 50% town block already then.

Ahsoka seems like a bit of an oddball type of player, and as an oddball myself I sympathize with how hard it is sometimes to make yourself understood. That is to say I might have been too hasty in identifying the oddity of her posting as scummy, and a post such as this appears to have layers of genuine solvey thought processes. It's not a strong read but I've been liking the way she responded to all the pressure.

This feels like a thought process coming from town. If Ahsoka's post style makes them appear scummy it'd probably be more likely of scum to either push or at the very least not point out towniness. This isn't strong, but still leaning towards town.


I like horsewoman for town so far. Maybe it's just a playstyle thing but the slight aggressiveness doesn't come across as forced and I like her thoughts.

@Gimli - why do you town read clidd?

Also, liking Horsewoman's catchup. Should I be afraid she's trying to pocket?

I'm kind of thinking this is Dkk scum too.

Eh, there wasn't much that seemed like it could have been pocketing you from my pov plus I like her catchup too.

Gimli's playing pretty differently than he did in our game together. And by that I mean worse. I think paradoxically that makes him more likely to be town here? He's producing less reads and less analysis but that might be because he's only producing genuine reads/analysis. Want to see more from him.

If that game is over, was Gimli scum in that game? Just trying to understand what you mean about the quantity of reads/analysis.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

I mean more in the sense that this would be a line that I think Scum!Radja would try to avoid.

Ah I see, misinterpreted that.

a couple of things are bothering me with this string of posts:

- Volxen as third town. I checked volxen's post as scum that clidd posted here and it's not comparatively that different from his entrances in this game. His explanation on why dkkoba's early game stuff is towny is certainly crafty, but it's still superficial and easy to make as scum if you have all the tools that volxen clearly has. That post about dkkoba misses that dkkoba can just be doing things on a whim as scum which makes all logic moot. It's also making points that are too unnecessary, like discussing the possibility of dkkoba 'pre-planning' those posts and how that is only possible if we're both scum. It's pretty but it is not solvey. His posts to clidd aren't towny either. And since clidd is townreading all of that stuff, I can't help but wonder if the whole thing isn't staged.

- the votes on radja being possible busses don't feel right as an argument here. clidd is supposedly townreading that radja reads list, so when he talks about bussing (and gives it 30% odds which is very high actually) it feels artificial that his head went there instead of thinking radja looks like someone scum wants to eliminate. and since this is a 6v3 setting, 'bussing' shouldn't be something we're truly considering until people flip. In fact, I don't know where the scum are exactly but I'm almost sure there's powerwolfing going on in this game.

I don't wanna pile on clidd and I want to give this time for me to reevaluate but this last string of posting makes me feel clidd might be scum after all.

This is another post by Gimli I really like. It shows an in depth solving thought process. The suspicion of Volxen seems genuine and not something forced from scum although I'm not sure I agree that it's staged with Clidd. I'm agreeing with his points on radja as well. I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him. (I also have thoughts on the related question directed at Gimli but I don't want to steal it).

[DkKoba]

Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.

none of that is towny or alignment indicative.

[DkKoba]

also wall posting turns me off i hate reading walls.

[Ahsoka]

Eh, there wasn't much that seemed like it could have been pocketing you from my pov plus I like her catchup too.

I disagree.

[Ahsoka]

Dkkoba and Clidd probably include 1 scum within them, but probably not both. Eh, I guess it's possible both. I feel like one scum at least was on me in those first 3, which leaves Gimli, and those 2, but Gimli has been super townie the past few pages.

No agenda, very genuine. I guess it's possible it's fakeable this early, but I'm confident enough to have him at the top. Horsewoman would follow behind, I like Raya. Radja is kinda scummy, but I can't really put my finger on why. I might be OMGUS scum reading them.

Volxen/Not Mafia I don't have a major read on right now.

[DkKoba]

why is there 1 scum or both there

[DkKoba]

why dont u put a vote down onto radja if u have a gut scumread there. solidify it with their reaction/words under pressure

[Ahsoka]

Why on Radja?

[Ahsoka]

He's E-2. If he gets to E-1, I'll think about hammering.

[DkKoba]

He's E-2. If he gets to E-1, I'll think about hammering.

i mean gun to head im fine with this but also this is kinda yikes

[Ahsoka]

You're asking me to vote my #3 scumread as my #2 scumread.

That is what is yikes.

[Ahsoka]

I was about ready to vote you or Clidd.

[Ahsoka]

And I think you saw that, so you're actively trying to create reasons for people to scum read me.

[DkKoba]

im obvtown

[DkKoba]

no i actually think the gamestate pushes u as town ... but sure lol

[Ahsoka]

you are one of the least town read slots this game, you are obviously not obvtown.

[DkKoba]

didnt u literally say i was town like a few pages ago

[DkKoba]

well its not my fault the townplay on this website is so weak

[DkKoba]

i get scumread for being aggressive every other game

[Ahsoka]

Dkkoba and Clidd probably include 1 scum within them, but probably not both. Eh, I guess it's possible both. I feel like one scum at least was on me in those first 3, which leaves Gimli, and those 2, but Gimli has been super townie the past few pages.

No agenda, very genuine. I guess it's possible it's fakeable this early, but I'm confident enough to have him at the top. Horsewoman would follow behind, I like Raya. Radja is kinda scummy, but I can't really put my finger on why. I might be OMGUS scum reading them.

Volxen/Not Mafia I don't have a major read on right now.

I literally stated I thought there's 1 scum in you and Clidd.

I don't believe the wagon that pushed me earlier is ever all town.

[DkKoba]

Raises Dkk because they also saw Radja being opportunistic.

Gimli switching is town.

So Gimli/Dkk both town, likely, that's 50% town block already then.

Dkkoba and Clidd probably include 1 scum within them, but probably not both. Eh, I guess it's possible both. I feel like one scum at least was on me in those first 3, which leaves Gimli, and those 2, but Gimli has been super townie the past few pages.

No agenda, very genuine. I guess it's possible it's fakeable this early, but I'm confident enough to have him at the top. Horsewoman would follow behind, I like Raya. Radja is kinda scummy, but I can't really put my finger on why. I might be OMGUS scum reading them.

Volxen/Not Mafia I don't have a major read on right now.

I was about ready to vote you or Clidd.

And I think you saw that, so you're actively trying to create reasons for people to scum read me.

you are one of the least town read slots this game, you are obviously not obvtown.

[DkKoba]

as of post 260 u thought i was town. what since post 260 pinged u as scum.

[Ahsoka]

well its not my fault the townplay on this website is so weak

If you think people should unequivocally town read you by page 14, that is weak town play.

You did get raised. You're no longer my #1 scum read.