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[Andresvmb]

I just feel like your tenor toward me between last night and now changed really dramatically. I'm not inclined to totally rule out the possibility that scum bussed, but my FIRST INSTINCT on any scum flip is not to look for bussers, and interaction-wise, that seemed less likely. The idea that no other wagon could gain traction is a weird one to me, given you can see we had 3-vote wagons on me, nora, and johnny at one point (and that's 2 wagons on town fmpov, minimum).

3 votes when you need 7 and the entire Scum Team is alive is not much now is it? That’s my point. If I’m actually trying to protect nopoint, I would have coordinated a wagon with a Town person onto another Town and away from nopoint. I was voting for you by myself. Pretty stupid strategy if I’m trying to do what you’re arguing I was doing. It doesn’t matter - there will be clarity sooner rather than later. I’m just telling you, you’re wrong, and should re-evaluate.

[Insanoflex]

I'm just going to continue to ignore the Noraa show and go back to rereading, thanks. If anyone has any questions for me, bold my username because I'm likely going to be skimming past the pages of pointless arguments she generates.

[Andresvmb]

Town never thinks that they are fine with dying if their top SR flips town. That is not a townie mindset.

Again - you’re not even asking me about my logic. You just think you know better than anyone when... you don’t.

I want to be Vigged if you flip Town only to eliminate the possibility of wasting another day on this nonsense. If you are Town, I’m getting executed the next day out of some sense that this course of action is reasonable. It’s not and I’m Town but whatever I want to win. It’ll just be a distraction and we’re better off with me not in the game at that point. I don’t think it’s particularly likely, but I’ll accept it.

[Noraa]

I'm just going to continue to ignore the Noraa show and go back to rereading, thanks. If anyone has any questions for me, bold my username because I'm likely going to be skimming past the pages of pointless arguments she generates.

Fair enough .... lol.

[Andresvmb]

Also stop trying to gas me up. The shitfight is over and continuing it is truly babyish.

You keep calling logic you can’t even grasp dumb, and every argument you don’t like terrible. The only person not actually engaging with the content but gaslighting is you. Stop accusing me of doing exactly what you’re doing.

[Noraa]

Unwnd what do you think of Andres and my conversation?
I feel like people not in it see more clearly.

[Noraa]

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

[Andresvmb]

That’s the most obvious pocket attempt I have ever seen.

plus you should absolutely ignore what either Noraa or I want, and discuss with the more obvious Town players in the game to lay out a strategy that’s sensible. I have made my suggestions but you can feel free to ignore anything I’m saying.

[Noraa]

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

Think of Haunted Village.
Think of So many bats.

[Noraa]

Plus, you know. You really do.

[Noraa]

I just went thru So many bats and randomly scrolled thru and picked up some quotes. There is a HUGE tone difference. Take a look.

Spoiler:

not funny and not helpful!

ooo is this post here that u posted helpful or funny?

Redados why did you vote Noraa?

was very frustrated at her and felt like my vote was the most powerful way I could show my anger

now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.

This is terrible reasoning
I'm calling it
We have a scum!Redados

I'm not aggressive...
especially while shelly's here for comparison lmao
meh basically u dont have observations then imo
I'm always more relaxed in games I dont replace into ... I think?
not too sure yet but I think that's how I am
anyways I dont think I've done anything here that I wouldn't also do as scum yet so I feel like it'd be weird if anyone had a solid and good read on me rn.
Also this game's funny. Everyone blows up the thread on day 1 of day 1 and then after that there's just complete silence

Funblock so far is Odd Day Jester/Norwee/Mundivore

I'm okay with this bloc for now. Noraa's a promising prospect I'm looking at as well.

Pedit: Clear lack of what?

yes yes add me
I'm loaded since Jackson and Saudade still owe me money. I'll buy my way into this clownblock

wow my whole read had two similarities to urs!
SHOCKING

My read rn:
Mundivore-town
bugspray-3rd scum?
JacksonVirgo-town
duppin-town
MiniMegabyte-town
Tayl0r Swift/Grendel-town
Odd Day Jester-town
shellyc-scum
Saudade-town
Redados-scum
UNOwen-town
NorwegianboyEE-3rd scum?

My current scum team I think is:
Shelly
Redados
Norwee/bugspray

I'm not at all confident in this scumteam tbh. In fact I'm 100% sure its definitely not completely correct like it might have 1 or 2 of the scum team but I highly highly doubt this is the actual solve of this game. However I'm putting this read out there to start some questions/conversations about me introducing what I think currently, is the scum team. Bring in the questions and I'll try my best to answer and adjust my reads if what is said is reasonable.

Bc my current guess for the scum team is
Redados
Shelly
Norwee/bugspray

From most confident to least confident and I'm kinda wanting to replace the last slot that I have close to zero confidence on with Taylor

No I TR grendel but SR Taylor and since Taylor is the one currently in the slot, then my TR on Grendel means nothing

I dont see why you should be disappointed. I played one game as scum with u which basically means I didn't get any meta on u. literally nada. also *sigh* that does sound like AtE -______-
anyways I won't hold it against u cuz u specifically said [no AtE here] but if I wrongly push town!Taylor, apologies in advance bc I'm fairly certain I will be pushing ur wagon due to the pretty strong scum vibes I get from u. however this game, I am paying attention so if I realize its just ur playstyle that's scummy, u will get the benefit of the doubt next round I play with u.

All of his SRs have zero good reasoning/logic/evidence backing them up

that's a role?
I thought he was joking or something

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't

Hectic join me on BM.
I caved in and am not going to vote bugs.
I took a step back. will u be doing the same?

noraa explain that trajectory and why you changed from SR to TR

I explained it multiple times. go find it.

[Noraa]

I was capable of faking a reads list, going around asking people for opinions, starting wagons, asking people to ask wagons, and get widely TRed. These quotes show it.

[PlusJOYED]

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

it's day 3 that's not really helping your case?

[Andresvmb]

Why don’t you quote some of your arguments with Battle Mage?

[Noraa]

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

it's day 3 that's not really helping your case?

I repped in.

[Noraa]

Why don’t you quote some of your arguments with Battle Mage?

Sure thing! Lets take a look at how I drove that wagon.

Spoiler:

it would be so much nicer and easier to analyze this game if shelly and noraa didnt together make up over a third of all the posts dammit

It would also be nice if u had some actual reads + evidence to back any of them up.

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

I dont want a free town pass. wtf.

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

I hate this. VOTE: BM

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

1) u just voted plus
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe

I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.

Saudade wagon where y'all at?

Lets lim this slot

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

YALL HAVE CONVINCED ME(not really I convinced myself)
but anyways. I am very sus of this slot rn

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

Im not SRing him for not vibing with my reads
ur just randomly accusing
I stated clearly my reasoning

We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right

Place your vote on Saudade

[Andresvmb]

And you don’t see how abrasive you can be as Scum?

[Noraa]

And you don’t see how abrasive you can be as Scum?

am I driving that aggressively?

[Noraa]

am I telling everyone to vote you?

[Andresvmb]

It’s almost what you’re doing here - just calling everything terrible or dumb, using a bunch of sarcasm to bash arguments that get closer to you or your Scummates. Arguing complete nonsense and twisting somebody’s posts to all look like Scum. You were directly called out for that in that game, or you forget?

[Andresvmb]

am I telling everyone to vote you?

Your definition of aggressive or abrasive is so narrow, it’s useless. So unless you directly rally others to vote a certain way, you can’t be aggressive?

[Noraa]

It’s almost what you’re doing here - just calling everything terrible or dumb, using a bunch of sarcasm to bash arguments that get closer to you or your Scummates. Arguing complete nonsense and twisting somebody’s posts to all look like Scum. You were directly called out for that in that game, or you forget?

I was UTR in that game. did u even read?

[Insanoflex]

Early game makes shelly/nopoint look not implausible, actually, although I've no idea who would fit as a 3rd teammate in that instance.

[Andresvmb]

You were so under the radar that you had to make posts like this?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12171271

[Andresvmb]

That whiny and reactionary way of posting is exactly your Scum meta, and it’s exactly what you’re doing here.