Newbie 2047: Eggskalon - Game Over

[catboi]

Pickles getting frustrated with lack of engagement with his reads is probably a towntell, though. Doesn't need to care that much if he's mafia and getting ignored because he'd just accept being under the radar.

(sorry for the triple post, my thinking is just disorganized, but I'm going to try to be more active.

[Ninetales]

It feels to me like scum trying to make me look bad here so that I don't get to lead a wagon on your buddy but I know I'm stepping into uncertain tunnels here that I should avoid or at least try to avoid.

[Ninetales]

If you dislike my case on Marcistar, please point out why. I spent a decent amount of time on it and a "These reasons are dumb" followed by a vote really don't cut it.

[catboi]

I didn't call it dumb, I asked why that stuff is supposed to be scummy. Excessive emojis? confusion? Not having clear stances? Those things aren't scummy and acting like they are is a huge stretch.

[LoneMarkhor]

Ninetails because she posted a lot but not now.Also her posts make accusations which I think are weird not true.

I didn't log on a single time yesterday so yes, generally I won't be able post without even visiting mafiascum.net.

I've gathered as much. No one here has followed my thought process. Rather than calling it weird, pointing out where you got lost is much more helpful for me.

By weird I meant your scumreads on marcistar and catboi.As you have presented your case I'll say that I also sometimes feel like she's the scum but I still think that she's just newbie town because its a newbie game right. If she's the scum then her partner would be catboi as the reason why I think he's town is that if he was scum he would have have rather hammered her to seem town but instead defended her.

[LoneMarkhor]

I was trying to push not_mafia bcuz I thought that one SE was always scum to help their scum newbie. Muh 316 and catboi I thought were town so I thought that it would be not mafia.I was wrong but I still won't want not_mafia in an EOL situation.

[LoneMarkhor]

Catboi could be scum if marcistar was also scum.But right now I think its ninetails and pao .
VOTE: ninetails
I thought pickles was likely town because of his reaction when nine tails scumreaded his readlist but I'll have to read again on pickles.

[Pickles]

All I can say is that I’m not used to the slow speed of the game, it kills my wim.
Nothing has happened to change my reads, so I’m not sure how to progress.
There’s 6 days and 3 hours left in the day, I’m gonna reread the whole thread.
Probably not right now, but when I’ve got some extra time.
I’ll re-assess all of my reads and see if they come out any differently.
It’s unlikely I’ll post them like I did the first time, instead I’ll just quick explain.
Hopefully something stands out during that because I have no idea what else to do.
Otherwise if nothing new stands out, I’ll likely cast vote between {Nine/Lone/NotMaf}.
I also noticed a few comments/questions for me when I was reading.
But I don’t have time to go back and find them now so I’ll answer in next post later.

[Chumbo]

VOTE: Pickles

Why? Could you please explain something for once?

Come ask me why Pickles is now a townread.
Come argue with me about one of my nulls.
Come ask me why I think catboi is scum.
Come ask me why my marcistar read hasn't budged.

Why do you think catboi is scum? Also, why did your pickles read flip?

I don't think calling someone likely town is TMI

What exactly does TMI mean? I've seen this several times on the forum, but "too much information" doesn't seem to fit it.

Catboi could be scum if marcistar was also scum.But right now I think its ninetails and pao .
VOTE: ninetails
I thought pickles was likely town because of his reaction when nine tails scumreaded his readlist but I'll have to read again on pickles.

A scumteam of Ninetails and Pao makes no sense, the interaction earlier in the game doesn't seem like scum talking to each other at all.

[borkjerfkin]

Looking for a replacement for Paopao

[catboi]

All I can say is that I’m not used to the slow speed of the game, it kills my wim.
Nothing has happened to change my reads, so I’m not sure how to progress.
There’s 6 days and 3 hours left in the day, I’m gonna reread the whole thread.
Probably not right now, but when I’ve got some extra time.
I’ll re-assess all of my reads and see if they come out any differently.
It’s unlikely I’ll post them like I did the first time, instead I’ll just quick explain.
Hopefully something stands out during that because I have no idea what else to do.
Otherwise if nothing new stands out, I’ll likely cast vote between {Nine/Lone/NotMaf}.
I also noticed a few comments/questions for me when I was reading.
But I don’t have time to go back and find them now so I’ll answer in next post later.

._. I feel bad, because I don't want the game to be boring, I want it to be

fun

so that people want to stay, but I don't know how to inspire activity, both of our SEs are frankly big-time lurkers and paopao has gone offline and is likely to be replaced. I suppose I haven't been doing as much as I could, or should. I used to play more analytically, but it's been a long time since I've done that. I'll try to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb to see what I can find.

What exactly does TMI mean? I've seen this several times on the forum, but "too much information" doesn't seem to fit it.

The term is Too Much Information, yes, the idea being that mafia are coming from an informed perspective and know who is town and so the reads they give will be influenced by that. I don't use it that much but pickles did so I felt the need to bring it up in the response. I essence I don't see calling someone likely town is necessarily scummy, players get town reads all the time, and all markhor actually said was marcistar "might be town" which hardly sounds like a read mafia might give.

[LoneMarkhor]

I think the scumteam is {marci, catboi} or from {ninetails, not_mafia/pao}.Though the interaction between ninetails and pao earlier does make it rather unlikely but its still possible. Now that I know what TMI means I understand pickles read on me. Only reason why I thought marci was scum was that I thought she was faking newbie town which was based on the thing that she didn't appear to understand the 'other' possibility that I understood and shouldn't be hard for newbies to get but I thought about the matter again and ruled it out because its a newbie game after all. If pickles ye still think I am scum then I can't do much about it.

[borkjerfkin]

donkihott replaces Paopao!

[catboi]

I think the scumteam is {marci, catboi} or from {ninetails, not_mafia/pao}.Though the interaction between ninetails and pao earlier does make it rather unlikely but its still possible. Now that I know what TMI means I understand pickles read on me. Only reason why I thought marci was scum was that I thought she was faking newbie town which was based on the thing that she didn't appear to understand the 'other' possibility that I understood and shouldn't be hard for newbies to get but I thought about the matter again and ruled it out because its a newbie game after all. If pickles ye still think I am scum then I can't do much about it.

I would strongly rule outany possibility of ninetales/pao as a team, and needless to say I disagree with the former. What makes you only consider those possibilities?

[catboi]

A quick thought is that I'm not sure Lone would pretend to be under the delusion that one SE had to be mafia like he said in 180 if he were in fact mafia (unless partnered with an SE. I don't think he'd try to argue from an incorrect assumption he knew was incorrect. I think it's much more likely to be a genuine mistake from him.

I don't really like

muh316

's 26, mostly because I don't see how the selfvote on page 1 is supposed to be scummy. I don't like the accusations of rolefishing in 68, it feels like an easy buzzword to sling around but in my experience scum

rarely

do anything that could be described as rolefishing, and he both accuses marcistar of potentially pocketing ninetales while accusing ninetales of potentially rolefishing, which seems potnetially like trying to have things both ways. I don't necessarily mind his observation of marcistar's play being seemingly contradictory, even though I don't have an issue with it, I could see a town player picking up on that. On the face of it I agree with 80, marcistar's defeatism wasn't helpful, but something about the way it's written doesn't quite sit right with me, feels a little like he's talking down to her, I don't know. The re-evaluation in 98 isn't badnot mindlessly tunnelin marcistar is good but I don't really like that his only comment was that the post was "sunstantive with good reads" but not actually commenting about anything she said. The attack on not_mafia for not posting substance in 99 is an easy one but not necessarily bad, certainly could be scum and I could certainly see why a town player would suspect them. I don't like muh promising to work on a reads list in 158 and not delivering.

There's stuff here I find kind of suspicious, but nothing glaringly so, in a little sense it does look like muh might be trying to scumhunt but it's hard to tell due to low volume. I wouldn't really declare him a townread, though.

[donkihott]

Hey everyone, sorry to blow your reads but you gotta restart your thinking about pao pao. Don't transfer your grudges (if u had one) over me haha. It might hurt you but I define as lurker myself soo idk maybe we're too much in this game.
I like not-mafia's playstyle so far ahah I wish he is town and survives as long as possible to see how he plays.
I'm almost dismissing my thoughts of marci/catboi being the duo scum, I'd expect some distancing from a SE. However.. I still cringe when reading marci's AtE VOTE: marcistar

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.5

[2] LoneMarkhor (marcistar, Pickles)
[2] marcistar (Ninetales, donkihott)
[2] Ninetales (catboi, LoneMarkhor)
[1] Not_Mafia (muh316)
[1] Pickes (Not_Mafia)

[1] Not Voting (Chumbo)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-06 10:30:00)

[borkjerfkin]

muh316 was prodded.

[catboi]

VOTE: donkihott

I had issues/lingering suspicion of paopao already but what a gross entry. What about her AtE is "cringe" and why is it vote-worthy?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: donkihott

[marcistar]

Hey everyone, sorry to blow your reads but you gotta restart your thinking about pao pao. Don't transfer your grudges (if u had one) over me haha. It might hurt you but I define as lurker myself soo idk maybe we're too much in this game.
I like not-mafia's playstyle so far ahah I wish he is town and survives as long as possible to see how he plays.
I'm almost dismissing my thoughts of marci/catboi being the duo scum, I'd expect some distancing from a SE. However.. I still cringe when reading marci's AtE VOTE: marcistar

whats an ate?

[Ninetales]

Ninetails because she posted a lot but not now.Also her posts make accusations which I think are weird not true.

I didn't log on a single time yesterday so yes, generally I won't be able post without even visiting mafiascum.net.

I've gathered as much. No one here has followed my thought process. Rather than calling it weird, pointing out where you got lost is much more helpful for me.

By weird I meant your scumreads on marcistar and catboi.As you have presented your case I'll say that I also sometimes feel like she's the scum but I still think that she's just newbie town because its a newbie game right. If she's the scum then her partner would be catboi as the reason why I think he's town is that if he was scum he would have have rather hammered her to seem town but instead defended her.

This logic is a mess.

Catboi could be scum if marcistar was also scum.But right now I think its ninetails and pao .
VOTE: ninetails
I thought pickles was likely town because of his reaction when nine tails scumreaded his readlist but I'll have to read again on pickles.

This really just makes zero sense. You just said Marcistar and catboi was impossible because apparently catboi would've hammered his partner instead of defending her on day 1. Here you say scum is either those two or pao and I. Where is the logic behind any of your posts?

Come ask me why Pickles is now a townread.
Come argue with me about one of my nulls.
Come ask me why I think catboi is scum.
Come ask me why my marcistar read hasn't budged.

Why do you think catboi is scum? Also, why did your pickles read flip?

Good questions! I'll present a few quotes from catboi that I particularly disliked.

Here they are:

Spoiler:

I hadn't put a ton of thought into everyone else, was in a bit of a wait and see mode, but clearly that's not working, the game is slow, so I need to rethink my approach.

I'm going to try to look for a new angle on things, I just need to wake up first.

FWIW this game is unusually slow, even for a newbie game. Games in other queues move faster. Ill try to post more though.

(sorry for the triple post, my thinking is just disorganized, but I'm going to try to be more active.

._. I feel bad, because I don't want the game to be boring, I want it to be fun so that people want to stay, but I don't know how to inspire activity, both of our SEs are frankly big-time lurkers and paopao has gone offline and is likely to be replaced. I suppose I haven't been doing as much as I could, or should. I used to play more analytically, but it's been a long time since I've done that. I'll try to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb to see what I can find.

Summed up, I think there are too many excuses and promises. This is truly the self awareness that I think is definitely scum indicative.

Pickles flipped because I believe he was genuinely upset and scum doesn't ever get that upset.

Hey everyone, sorry to blow your reads but you gotta restart your thinking about pao pao. Don't transfer your grudges (if u had one) over me haha. It might hurt you but I define as lurker myself soo idk maybe we're too much in this game.
I like not-mafia's playstyle so far ahah I wish he is town and survives as long as possible to see how he plays.
I'm almost dismissing my thoughts of marci/catboi being the duo scum, I'd expect some distancing from a SE. However.. I still cringe when reading marci's AtE VOTE: marcistar

I have to say this looks really bad.

[Ninetales]

Hey everyone, sorry to blow your reads but you gotta restart your thinking about pao pao. Don't transfer your grudges (if u had one) over me haha. It might hurt you but I define as lurker myself soo idk maybe we're too much in this game.
I like not-mafia's playstyle so far ahah I wish he is town and survives as long as possible to see how he plays.
I'm almost dismissing my thoughts of marci/catboi being the duo scum, I'd expect some distancing from a SE. However.. I still cringe when reading marci's AtE VOTE: marcistar

whats an ate?

You clearly read my read on you. Please reply to it.

[LoneMarkhor]

Ninetails : All my posts are a mess. My logic behind the post was that Catboi,Marci was less likely but I meant it was possible.

[LoneMarkhor]

Whats an AtE though?