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[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

VOTE: lillith

You seem to make a lot of excuses. I asked for simple bullet points, you provided one weak ass reason and then say anything more than that is a "full blown thing."

I think you've had an entire game to contribute something substantial, and you're completely background. I believe you that work is busy, but there is a point where it just comes across as a lack of motivation because no one is forcing you to contribute: a scum mentality

this post is like so bad

I agree especially in light of Agar scum and lilith being the counterwagon

This is gross, you said this while simultaneously shading gamma for wanting to elim VP. and this directly contradicts you supposedly scumreading me

[lilith2013]

Notsci has the case here ask him

oh yeah it's totally a genuine read that cakes can explain that justifies instavoting me.. yep

[lilith2013]

VOTE: lilith

need to read vpb's iso. cakez has seemed really town to me but that^ bullshit is fucking unreal and very +scum.

??? do you have a reason for voting me? at least other people on my wagon have given reasons (however shitty). I don't think you've even mentioned a read on me.

[DkKoba]

hi lilith can u share what ur perspective is rn? where are u at in this game rn

[DkKoba]

this means like at least something substantive like a reads list btw

[lilith2013]

Lilith or Pooky bussed Agar
(Baltar, Koba, Bulge) off Agar wagon
^most of these people were on Noraa wagon

So this is looking like a decent scum pool to me

why are you only looking at people on noraa's wagon and not gamma's?

pedit: sure, will do a thing once I'm caught up

[lilith2013]

lack of momentum towards bulge implies lilith is not scum btw

Who are the people you'd expect to be moving here? Besides myself

If you think I'm scum, then presumably you'd expect my partners to be trying to create a counterwagon and divert attention from me? Doesn't look like you've considered that at all though

[lilith2013]

agar is my first choice from the pool, I still think his noraa read was very unnatural

That is your full reason for suspecting him?

you asked for a bullet point case, that was my one sentence TLDR. Do I think other things he’s said/done have also been scummy? yeah, but writing a full-blown thing would take more brain energy than I have. I can attempt it at some point but I ended up not being able to take vacation this week/worked over the weekend, so not a super priority for me since agar seems to be getting pushed plenty already.

Reading lillith (again), and I'm really trying to determine how genuine her gripes with Agar were. I still think it is kind of weird she scum read him extremely confidently because he said noraa looked townie for her flailing. I think several people felt noraa could have been town in that situation. At one point, lillith says it's because Agar town read norra for the flail fight, but not gamma. Which, ok, I could *maybe* see someone thinking that. But then again, that also presumes you read people perfectly symmetrically, which is rarely the case.

IDK, lillith just comes to a very strong conclusion on very scant evidence, imo. Doesn't mean she has to be scum there, but it bugged me then and it still bugs me more now as being possible TMI (which is what she accused Agar of, coincidentally).

I noticed on this reread that lillith hasn't hardly interacted with Cakez at all in thread. Lillith, what's your read on Cakez?

Agar's reaction to the noraa/gamma argument just felt like he had assigned a townread and a scumread to whoever, when imo both noraa and gamma had very similar reactions. I mean, sure, people aren't going to read others perfectly symmetrically, but that post stuck out to me because I didn't really feel like he articulated why one was town and not the other based on their argument. Then later, I thought I caught something that felt contradictory - he said originally that he townread noraa for her reaction to arguing with gamma; then he said that he didn't townread her for it; and since the original post had stuck in my mind, when he said the second thing later I had kind of a lightbulb moment. I don't think it mattered as much whether he was townreading noraa or not for that, but that he directly contradicted himself about his read on her. I have no idea if it was actually AI in hindsight/whether I just happened to be on a correct wagon for the wrong reason or whether that was actually a scummy thing I caught him doing.

I gave cakes a pass early on, but I think it was because I felt guilty for not being in the pt/being a more active partner. He really doesn't seem to have made much attempt to sort me and then came out and instavoted me today and can't even give reasons for it/doesn't really seem to have put thought into that read. Also in retrospect, I think it's possible Agar was avoiding getting into a 1v1 with cakes because he didn't want two main wagons of the day being both on scum. With a gamma townflip, I think it's worth paying attention to gamma and noraa both scumreading him too.

[DkKoba]

me, when my townreads towntell:

[lilith2013]

shit I got distracted lol

with all of that said, I'm most down for a cakes elim today from the pool. you, bulge, and notsci are pretty null for me, pooky is probably town, I think ut and reck are town, so I think vp/cakes/{one of you/bulge/notsci} is the remaining team

[DkKoba]

i literally just cleared u based on our PT how am I null???

god i hate this game sometimes lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Agar's reaction to the noraa/gamma argument just felt like he had assigned a townread and a scumread to whoever, when imo both noraa and gamma had very similar reactions. I mean, sure, people aren't going to read others perfectly symmetrically, but that post stuck out to me because I didn't really feel like he articulated why one was town and not the other based on their argument. Then later, I thought I caught something that felt contradictory - he said originally that he townread noraa for her reaction to arguing with gamma; then he said that he didn't townread her for it; and since the original post had stuck in my mind, when he said the second thing later I had kind of a lightbulb moment. I don't think it mattered as much whether he was townreading noraa or not for that, but that he directly contradicted himself about his read on her. I have no idea if it was actually AI in hindsight/whether I just happened to be on a correct wagon for the wrong reason or whether that was actually a scummy thing I caught him doing.

I gave cakes a pass early on, but I think it was because I felt guilty for not being in the pt/being a more active partner. He really doesn't seem to have made much attempt to sort me and then came out and instavoted me today and can't even give reasons for it/doesn't really seem to have put thought into that read. Also in retrospect, I think it's possible Agar was avoiding getting into a 1v1 with cakes because he didn't want two main wagons of the day being both on scum. With a gamma townflip, I think it's worth paying attention to gamma and noraa both scumreading him too.

oh shit

words that actually make sense when they are assembled next to each other

crazy

[SirCakez]

Vote me then Lilith
You have not even tried to sort me in the PT and when you are here it seems like you're just flailing at other wagons in the pool and not actually trying to sort
I have stated more than once that I think it's plausible scum wanted to bus you because of your lack of time to play this game
I also think that Agar distanced from at least one other scum and you're the most plausible explanation

[SirCakez]

As I've said earlier I'm fine being elimmed here though because tbh I'm a distraction here and my town flip will redirect town to where we need to go I think

[VP Baltar]

Pooky, who is scum inside this elim pool?

[notscience]

Imagine being null on me and not asking me anything to sort me

[xRECKONERx]

It’s a scummy way to play tho. How does “he’s floating shit across and seeing what sticks” not sound like a scum tactic? That’s a great way to avoid taking hard stances that might backfire Id think.

There's merit to that but it's also not something I'm wanting to yeet over. Again - he'd need something else to happen to help him along in this setup. I also think he's been pretty consistence wrt the challenge and his follow up so I don't think he's doing it as scum rn.

Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.

You made the fencesittiest post of all time that would allow you to pivot to literally anyone in the pool and with like 0 evidence of attempts to sort the people you were fencesitting on. Then you made up a reason to pick me as your favored elim.

I wasn't aware calling someone a "player" was giving me the ability to pivot to that person.

I didn't make up a reason - hell, I specifically mentioned in a previous post I was trying to get a grasp on your intentions - you have been background and mostly riding the currents to this point. I was wrong on one item (even though I said your ISO was "mostly" globbing on, not "only" globbing on) but all the same, you made zero attempt to engage anyone else in the pool, immediately voted me with nary a thought to anyone else and did whatever survival instinct said to do and pushed the other wagon forward in order to avoid engaging with Cakez so he can't rip you apart.

My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar

Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."

out of the remaining three, yeah I think I would have been the easiest to push if scum!you is just trying to survive, which I think is what UT was saying.

I really think you don't know what an easy push is.

re:

1245 See Boomer Take #1. Also your one point about questioning the townread is correct, and I misremembered exchanges with Notty post-Noraa/GE, but that's literally... *checks notes* your only contribution? Questioning a townread?

I really don’t feel the need to restate things that everyone else has already said when I’m catching up, and there’s only so many things to talk about that haven’t already been talked about

please provide examples of where you’ve contributed unique and new thoughts to this game

The origination of calling out GE's reaction to Noraa - not the argument, but the initial reaction that set off the argument. Followed up in 426 with further elaboration.
Arguiang the efficacy of actually utilizing the PTs we were given as more than just scum hiding their thoughts.
Giving what D1 reads I had on the four that were up to be yeeted
Pushing on VPB a bit for what I read as not entirely consistent reasoning

You can contribute in other ways. You can engage with - wild thought - multiple people. I started this day off questioning posts I found curious from notscience and UT. I spent parts of yesterday imploring that the four who were up to be yeeted not go dark because their interactions would help to build further connections and it was essential they actually participate.

In that vein I think this quote in hindsight seems like projection, because scum!agar has to push me in order to not have to get in a 1v1 with cakes:

Newsflash: I am still the leading candidate to be yeeted and Cakez is still on my ass about things so I don't really think your perception is reality.

Spent 11.5 hours and so far almost every waking minute staring at 600 acres worth of utility maps today. Going to go for a run to reset my brain/create a divide in the day for my own sanity, then I'll deal with some of the garbage in here, but boy do I have some fucking takes.

were you in prodrange before you made this post?

I think it's 72 hours to prod, so no? Not sure why that's relevant at all.

this post is... quite telling actually. this paints an agar/cakez scumteam to me. hmmm.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, who is scum inside this elim pool?

make your move scumboi

[notscience]

I'm down to yeet any of the pool

[VP Baltar]

Agar's reaction to the noraa/gamma argument just felt like he had assigned a townread and a scumread to whoever, when imo both noraa and gamma had very similar reactions. I mean, sure, people aren't going to read others perfectly symmetrically, but that post stuck out to me because I didn't really feel like he articulated why one was town and not the other based on their argument. Then later, I thought I caught something that felt contradictory - he said originally that he townread noraa for her reaction to arguing with gamma; then he said that he didn't townread her for it; and since the original post had stuck in my mind, when he said the second thing later I had kind of a lightbulb moment. I don't think it mattered as much whether he was townreading noraa or not for that, but that he directly contradicted himself about his read on her. I have no idea if it was actually AI in hindsight/whether I just happened to be on a correct wagon for the wrong reason or whether that was actually a scummy thing I caught him doing.

I gave cakes a pass early on, but I think it was because I felt guilty for not being in the pt/being a more active partner. He really doesn't seem to have made much attempt to sort me and then came out and instavoted me today and can't even give reasons for it/doesn't really seem to have put thought into that read. Also in retrospect, I think it's possible Agar was avoiding getting into a 1v1 with cakes because he didn't want two main wagons of the day being both on scum. With a gamma townflip, I think it's worth paying attention to gamma and noraa both scumreading him too.

Blerg. This feels fairly townie to me.

Do you think Cakez would have been trying to solve you if he were town? That's contradictory to you not solving him, no?

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm down to yeet any of the pool

honestly me too, and that's why I'm having a really hard time actually deciding anything

[notscience]

I mean we can chain elim the whole pool if you want

[DkKoba]

VOTE: sircakez

yall actually or

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

too bad we dont have a mass murder button

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Cakez