TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)


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Post Post #2875 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:56 am

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In post 2872, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2869, OkaPoka wrote:well beating up xtoxm made me move you into the scumpile in the sense that i think you are TMI'ng and beating up agar makes me think mastina/agar are antialigned
That's fine. For me xtoxm looks null-town and agar looks town. We can have differences on a tactical level and still work together on macro strategy. I just have not collected enough data to say someoone is scum with a high level of confidence even though I fake it day 1 for pressure's sake.
well there is the difference between you and me

i think day 1's have diminishing returns without seeing flips, i believe scum are better than town at making a situation good for them the longer the day goes after a certain point, i believe that there is an instrinsic value to cutting days short when the are exhausting to preserve town sanity, and i believe we have enough information to make an informed enough decision as it can be for day 1.

how have you appealed to dgb, hercules, cephrir in flipping cephrir? (especially cephrir im so confused)
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Post Post #2876 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:58 am

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In post 2875, OkaPoka wrote:how have you appealed to dgb, hercules, cephrir in flipping cephrir? (especially cephrir im so confused
I tried to wagon Ythan earlier.
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Post Post #2877 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:59 am

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In post 2875, OkaPoka wrote:i think day 1's have diminishing returns without seeing flips, i believe scum are better than town at making a situation good for them the longer the day goes after a certain point, i believe that there is an instrinsic value to cutting days short when the are exhausting to preserve town sanity, and i believe we have enough information to make an informed enough decision as it can be for day 1.
The diminishing return is in going back to covered ground again and again. Which confuses the hell out of me because I see the three of us completely differently from you.

That's all I have for now. Earth must come first.
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Post Post #2878 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:00 am

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I still think we should eliminate xtoxm
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Post Post #2879 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:01 am

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okay but im talking about getting the ceph wagon, if you want pressure on it you have to get enough people, how are you doing that? because i presume you don't really care about my vote all that much because you said so yourself

anyways to flesh out my point, a green flip early in d1 is not so bad, a red flip late d1 is very good, a green flip late d1 is terrible, and i believe in the premise that more time after like a point does not improve our ability to go from green to red

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Post Post #2880 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:03 am

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ACTUALLY

maybe a bit more time might be good

give me like a day or two something important could happen
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Post Post #2881 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 am

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Oh?
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Post Post #2882 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:10 am

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probably wont meant too much but maybe it could

its like a buying a lottery ticket you know

very low odds that something happens but if it does then maybe the world changes
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Post Post #2883 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 am

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I think it was a typo but I read that in an Italian accent
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Post Post #2884 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:15 am

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mama mia ~ its the pizzeria

i apologize if you are ethnically italian
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Post Post #2885 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:56 am

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mathblade hasn't read the game and might not be able to but i will/am talk to him about titus related things
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Post Post #2886 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:03 am

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In post 2803, AGar wrote:So my thing is that the entire xtoxm wagon sprung up based on the interpretation that Oka had that mastina was arguing against. So you just decided to keep your mouth shut about it? Or did you not read it that way?
?? I'm in a bit of a loss. What does Xtoxm has to do with an argument about Titus between Oka and mastina?????

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Post Post #2887 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:36 am

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i am incredibly drunk right now and haven't read anything but does anyone want to interact with very drunk hopkirk in real timewe
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Post Post #2888 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 2876, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2875, OkaPoka wrote:how have you appealed to dgb, hercules, cephrir in flipping cephrir? (especially cephrir im so confused
I tried to wagon Ythan earlier.
I could still vibe.
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Post Post #2889 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:41 am

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ABR is hard to read but the last few pages have pinged me strongly as town.
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Post Post #2890 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:00 pm

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nodody wants to interact when i'm drunk beyond the point i can lie? woahhhh
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Post Post #2891 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:00 pm

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can we all just vibe or something
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Post Post #2892 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:04 pm

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Post Post #2893 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:05 pm

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In post 2824, Hopkirk wrote:Agar feels tonally off.
Agreed. While AGar's content also looks like scum, the tone is the real selling point for me.
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Post Post #2894 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:06 pm

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you can literalyl confirm me beyond the point i can be scum right now
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Post Post #2895 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:06 pm

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Agar's content is presented in a way that makes me want to vote them
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Post Post #2896 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:07 pm

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AGar is what I wanted to become when i was a wee young newbie in the newbie queue circa 2014
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Post Post #2897 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:18 pm

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In post 2829, DrippingGoofball wrote:I REALLY like this post.
I read that post in its entirety.

That I had nothing to say about it should tell you that I didn't.

Ditto for 2836. Which gets the same treatment: there was nothing to like in that post.
In post 2851, OkaPoka wrote:{okapoka, ducky, danny, cephrir, hercule}
{dunny, unwnd, hopkirk, IV}
{xtoxm, abr, winter flakes, a50, agar, mastina}
{ythan, titus, dgb}

this is how im grouping the game ~ and I think scum have divided themselves into these groups because if I were scum this is how I would have positioned the game out. but i will say if any grouping has two scums, its in the opposition (but im biased).

distribution in my head probably looks like 1 1 1 1 or 1 0 2 1 or 1 1 2 0 or 0 1 2 1
Oka, the very fact that scum are distributed among the groups mean that you should have a total dissolution of the groups, and rebuild the groups so that they're entirely grouped by alignment.

If the bloc has scum in it (considering your bloc has both Cephrir and hecule I guarantee it does), then you need to eject the scum from it: remove them from the group, discard their input, and fundamentally reevaluate.
If the allies have scum in it (eh, possible, but my gutcheck says all-town in there), then you need to eject the scum from it: remove them from the group, discard their input, and fundamentally reevaluate.
If the opposition has town in it (and I would say that all but one, mayyyyyyybe in a stretch 2, of the names in there are town), then you need to eject the town from it: remove them from the group, accept their input, and fundamentally reevaluate, taking the input of the town into account.

There's a difference from a D1 solve that you know is incomplete and flawed due to it being D1, and a fundamental acceptance of a flawed paradigm which even you the maker of it realize and know to be fundamentally wrong and serving to let scum blend in.

The former allows the town to have a rudimentary solve that, while imperfect, is more accurate than not.
The acceptance of the latter allows the scum to blend in because they're equally divided and have infiltrated each group, giving them a disproportionate amount of sway, meaning that the scum are never truly threatened as long as this paradigm is accepted as acceptable.
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Post Post #2898 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:21 pm

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In post 2839, Xtoxm wrote: ythan - he had one post that pinged me
"You are not authorized to read this topic"

This was probably approved by the rest of his team before-hand.
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Post Post #2899 (ISO) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:22 pm

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dunn you remember this from last year drink hop is towwwwwwn
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