Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Sorry, I'm clearly slipping if I missed that.

[Dunnstral]

I think Tammycho is a bad shot and I'd be willing to explain it if you want me to

I think it's reasonably likely to hit town as well. Not sure that it's a

bad

shot though

[Imperium]

That means I don’t have any of the people I could see picking me low enough on it.

Tammy are you still around? Do you think this is a dumb rabbit hole to dig into?

I don't know. It's something I've been trying to figure out myself. I thought that if you were given the gun purposefully, they might have been planning to kill us the first chance they got based on potential overlap.

I didn't give you the gun.

Cakez is I don't know. He's either town who decided I was scum early in RVS, I was just looking back at that, and he's confirm biasing everything I write and missing every point I make and moving goal posts because he's just that confirm biased. People do do that, and some posts do feel somewhat townish, but man I don't know.

Dunnstral doesn't feel like scum to me, but I don't know if I'm writing him off too easily. We were in the anon dance game together, and he replaced into a scum slot and the way he pushed things were just really wrong, so I've been looking for pushes that feel weird and I don't see it. Right now he feels more like he did in xeno and tenet. Not a strong read, but.

Norfolk I'm not sure about. I don't think that the opening posts deserved the push they got, I didn't like yesterday's posts that much and I thought he might have been appeasing Cakez by calling him misguided town, but today's posts felt a little better. I'm going to continue to fence sit here. I know that's really weird for me to do, but that's where I am.

So, yeah I don't know. Numbers wise, there should be scum in there right? But I don't know where to place it right now with any certainty.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think firing based on how good they'd be with the gun is a good strategy

[Netflix and Chill]

Cakez had the stack rank closest to ours without us really alluding anything to where we were leaning

[Imperium]

Not really anymore

I definitely started you guys at the bottom of my list when I saw we got the gun

Who else would give us the gun? Do you think scum would rng it?

Yeah, I realized you probably thought that after our RVS interaction. I was like hmm they feel weird, and then that night I was like OH they think we gave them the gun.

I don't know.

[Netflix and Chill]

I told Brian during pregame there was like a 0 percent chance the gun went outside the hydrae at game start

[Netflix and Chill]

And Dunn it was more a “I think scum them would give us the gun but worst case we give it to a strong team”

[unwnd]

I think Tammycho is playing a scumgame it is not one of deepwolfing rather (for Nacho's side) antagonistic trolling

Do I think that's what is going on? I dunno yet, cause there's always a sensible Tammy wall inbetween Nacho shooting the shit. That's one of the reasons I don't want to shoot there but also the Nacho side is practically testing Notty/Brian's faith at this point lol

[Imperium]

And I'm not really sure that we're dealing with secret alts either. I've looked at most people so far, and the people with newer join dates seem to actually be newer players.

[Imperium]

Oh I forgot about Not_Mafia, but I have no idea there.

[Netflix and Chill]

Quiet Rockhopper isn't the gung ho town Rockhopper that I know.

Subject: Newbie 2037 - Game Over

that's cool, i respect that. i think its very much possible that an experienced mafia player can experiment with different playstyles here, in which case metareading them wouldn't be as effective, if that makes any sense.

Don't hang your hat on meta. I'm amazed how much stock is put into it on this site.

Hm

[Imperium]

Quiet Rockhopper isn't the gung ho town Rockhopper that I know.

Subject: Newbie 2037 - Game Over

that's cool, i respect that. i think its very much possible that an experienced mafia player can experiment with different playstyles here, in which case metareading them wouldn't be as effective, if that makes any sense.

Don't hang your hat on meta. I'm amazed how much stock is put into it on this site.

Hm

Oh I thought it was cakez that made that original Quiet rockhopper post.

(I saw that meta quote when I meta'd Norfolk the other day.)

[Netflix and Chill]

Tammy did you happen to peruse any of Norfolk’s completed isos? And I know we’re being led to shoot there and I’m not intending on doing it just yet, but there was something pretty glaring in difference between his play here

Ninja-
It’s weird tho isn’t it? I did find a rockhopper game where he did the same basic thing- flurry of five then got replaced as a VT

[Imperium]

Tammy did you happen to peruse any of Norfolk’s completed isos? And I know we’re being led to shoot there and I’m not intending on doing it just yet, but there was something pretty glaring in difference between his play here

Ninja-
It’s weird tho isn’t it? I did find a rockhopper game where he did the same basic thing- flurry of five then got replaced as a VT

No my dive wasn't really that extensive. I mostly looked to see if how many times he had ever rolled scum and if outside a newbie and to see how active he was. I super super skimmed just to see if him seeming nervous at the beginning of the game was alignment indicative. My take away was that he doesn't like pressure, so his nervousness was null.

I haven't looked back since he started making posts since the first four.

[unwnd]

It's not my shot but I'd probably kill duchess here

[WhemeStar]

all my suggestions are best

[Netflix and Chill]

I felt way more confidence in his town games from my glance. So I was concerned about the nervousness.

Who do you think I want to shoot?

Ninja
Idk I still thought they seemed like a godfather

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I have a lot of doubts about Duchess, but it didn't feel like bait to me (which is what I'd expect of a godfather). What's your criteria there?

[RLotus]

It's not my shot but I'd probably kill duchess here

me too

[Imperium]

Subject: Newbie 2037 - Game Over

Let’s make things interesting with some RQS

For those that don’t know, RQS is called Random Questioning Stage and it has its advantages. And this is for everyone in the playerlist. Non answers get scumread.

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

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1. I’ve been playing the wolf version of mafia since 2006. Mafiascum.net for 5 months.
2. Town/Village
3. Apathy, inconsistencies, passiveness/aggressiveness giving the context, perfect posting, and voting patterns.
4. Disagreeableness, having one’s own mind and gut feel. Oh and a little scumminess never hurt.
5. Yes. I find it very difficult to lie and work to just not do it.

RQS is a new one to me and isn't on the Mafia Wiki.

To answer your questions:

1.I played a handful of basic games on a wrestling forum 10 years ago. This is my 3rd game on this website.

2.Town, specifically VT. I struggle with the pressure that comes with a scum or power role and just prefer to be able to post unfiltered without stressing over what people will read into my posts.

3.I'm not going to share the tells that I look for, but I immediately scumread people who post something like

Non answers get scumread.

4.Application of logic

5.Easy to post, but I agonise over it for an age before posting.

I was taking the nervousness about getting a gun too early from here.

[Netflix and Chill]

You and I are taking two very different things from that post

[Imperium]

I was taking the "struggle with the pressure that comes from a scum or power role" to mean that as scum he'd be nervous and as town he'd be nervous to get the gun too early.

[Imperium]

Who do you think I want to shoot?

not_mafia or unwnd?

I really don't know who you want to shoot lol

[Netflix and Chill]

Idk I just don’t see that excitement of freedom from him this game

Regardless he very clearly is where the game wants me to go presently and I think he’s probably like my third or fourth shot

Ninja-
Nope! I am tentatively townreading both. That’s part of my confusion about why I have the gun

I’m thinking lotus.