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[OkaPoka]

Do you guys think hell is repeating Day 1 of a large over and over again for eternity

go od god i think you've cracked the code doctor!

[OkaPoka]

you'll excuse me as i thought i just made a reference to something but apparently that's not a reference to anything

[AGar]

LLD can be town. I think her case is a little flawed on Hercule, but the thought process tracks given she wasn't in the last game.

The problem with that: in a game with a lot of raw talent skilled at both townplay and scumplay where every scum player (or close to every scum player) is at the top-level of scumplay (or close to), you're not going to catch scum by any "oh, lol, that's scum obviously and clearly and unambiguously". (Even tho I'm in the 90% certainty that LLD and Dann are scum, it is not for things that are obvious/clear/unambiguous; it is for subtle things backed by anecdotal experience.)

In a game with the highest-caliber of players being scum, you're going to catch scum when their viewpoints contain 'little flaws', so to speak, and LLD's case against hercule is exactly that: it is flawed, in a way that, yes, is scum-indicative. The thought process doesn't fully track especially given this is TEAM Mafia. LLD has teammates who could fill her in on what they know of last game, and then there's also the ban announcements for last game for extra context there, and that's beyond the fact that last iteration of the game is a talking point in this game, meaning that checking out last game has some actual value to it.

I've let exactly one person in my decade plus of playing mafia talk to me this way and you're not, never have been, and never will be anywhere close to the player that Glork was, so kindly don't tell me how to play the game. My fucking method works for me just fine. kthxbye.

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Oh dude I forgot Agar was in this game

it's been ages

Fuckin somethin, innit?

Dann, Agar, what do you two like about xtoxm here?

There was a spot where they were aggressive last game

I mean it's early and they've already posted more than they had until they were run up last time. Also I don't remember them being aggressive? I might've shut parts of that game out of my brain though.

Do you guys think hell is repeating Day 1 of a large over and over again for eternity

Fucking feels like it rn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD can be town. I think her case is a little flawed on Hercule, but the thought process tracks given she wasn't in the last game.

The problem with that: in a game with a lot of raw talent skilled at both townplay and scumplay where every scum player (or close to every scum player) is at the top-level of scumplay (or close to), you're not going to catch scum by any "oh, lol, that's scum obviously and clearly and unambiguously". (Even tho I'm in the 90% certainty that LLD and Dann are scum, it is not for things that are obvious/clear/unambiguous; it is for subtle things backed by anecdotal experience.)

In a game with the highest-caliber of players being scum, you're going to catch scum when their viewpoints contain 'little flaws', so to speak, and LLD's case against hercule is exactly that: it is flawed, in a way that, yes, is scum-indicative. The thought process doesn't fully track especially given this is TEAM Mafia. LLD has teammates who could fill her in on what they know of last game, and then there's also the ban announcements for last game for extra context there, and that's beyond the fact that last iteration of the game is a talking point in this game, meaning that checking out last game has some actual value to it.

I've let exactly one person in my decade plus of playing mafia talk to me this way and you're not, never have been, and never will be anywhere close to the player that Glork was, so kindly don't tell me how to play the game. My fucking method works for me just fine. kthxbye.

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Oh dude I forgot Agar was in this game

it's been ages

Fuckin somethin, innit?

Dann, Agar, what do you two like about xtoxm here?

There was a spot where they were aggressive last game

I mean it's early and they've already posted more than they had until they were run up last time. Also I don't remember them being aggressive? I might've shut parts of that game out of my brain though.

Do you guys think hell is repeating Day 1 of a large over and over again for eternity

Fucking feels like it rn.

How have you been b'y? I won't be like "oh I missed you!" cause we didn't interact much outside mafia, but you were always a good dude from when we did interact and it's always nice to see people I played with a long time ago.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway, since Mastina seems intent on addressing my nature, lemme talk a little bit about who I am.

My name is Lady Lambdadelta and I'm the best scum player in this game, probably the best scum player on this site and probably top 5-10 scum players that have come through this site. Hard to measure a metric against people who are all just as good as I am in small detail, like, I won't sit here and say I'm strictly better than Nuwen. Nuwen was incredible. Different skillset than me, but incredible.

So, getting that out of the way, Mastina is doing me a little bit of a disservice. The scumplay style I pioneered and mastered was very simply the aspect of leveling yourself as town and understanding what you are giving off. So many people think you need to sacrifice your own ability to play the game and hunt scum to appear town and that's just not true. It is possible to level how you appear in your town game, and what's more, constantly change how you play, from aggressive to passive to open info to closed handed as town, never settling in a single meta and always being weird.

And then mirror those different things as scum and do them equally randomly. It sets expectations of how you play as town at "insane" and means you can play with gambits or normal play as scum and look town doing it. The key to it is not changing how you emote. Convincing yourself that you're town in a sense when scum and sounding like you ARE a townie.

So the one thing Mastina is right about is that you shouldn't be going around saying "well LLD sounds townie, her emotions are town" because if you aren't prepared and you don't know me you will end up in a bad spot.

Because I've spent a long time seeing what emoting actions work to drive town reads and what don't. And humans like to think they are special and unique but they aren't, just unique enough to have different arrangements of the same subsets of traits. What will work on one person will work on most others. So if you don't know me, it's worth keeping an eye on me. Do I advertise this in every game I walk into? No. I'd rather not tank my own ability to lead a town and find scum by having to fuckign grandstand about myself every time I play as a warning.

But seeing as I'm given exactly zero choice here, here we are.

But here's where Mastina seems to always fall short, and why her reads on me always fail. Mastina is always two steps behind.

The first step is that I am constantly altering my meta. If I can remember playing a specific way in a specific situaiton, I'm probably not playing that way. So this use of "I've seen that line before as scum!" is likely either false, or worse it's true and I'm cycling back to one of my old styles. Has no bearing on what alignment I am if I am, or if it does it leans usually town because if I'm scum I'm more dilligent than that. But that's self meta hogwash, so let's strike that last part out.

The second step is that I quite literally have Dissociative Identity Disorder. There are 4 personalities of me and they all play mafia.

And we all talk a little different. It's impossible not to. We understand the same principles and make the same moves others would make, generally, because we bounce ideas internally, but it can and HAS affected how people have read me before.

And most of all it really fucks with my meta. Not exactly something I can control, and I've mentioned it on site before. It's... a thing.

So, let me be fucking perfectly clear.

No, you should not blindly have faith in the fact I am town ever.

No, you should not let me go into lylo unchecked and should reevaluate your feelings on me after every game day. Never let apathy sink in with me.

Yes, you should always quesiton why I am still alive.

and yes, I'm better at scum than you are at town with a high degree of certainty.

But none of that means you should ignore your own reads on me, or that you shouldn't trust my ability to read, pressure and create meaninful content for a game.

When I say burden of proficiency me, give me time to show off if I'm scum or not. I mean ltierally let me generate some reads, make a call on who is scum and if my scumreads keep flipping town, oopsies, fucking kill me. I'm not perfect at town, god knows people like Glork and my husband GreyICE and Magna of Illusion were all FAR better town players than I will EVER be.

But I played with the best, learned with the best and I'm fucking scary good when I'm on.

So when I have a feeling, you best help me investigate it. If I've decided to push something, you better fucking get on the train and ride with me.

And if someone tells you I'm scum with 90 percent certainty?

They're either lying or delusional. Because no one reads me that well.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now that I've addressed rampant fucking egotism and Mastina can't hammer me with "see LLD doesn't want you to know how good she is"

Can we move on and pressure hercule a little more? None of his catch up was at all inspiring, and I'm really curious where people's townreads on the dude come from.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also if I'm being honest I wasn't overly thrilled with Dann's vote on A50.

[Dannflor]

sure

VOTE: hercule

[Xtoxm]

im not seeing any reasons to vote hercule...just repeated assertions that his posts are bad ???
monologuing about yourself isnt a case on hercule

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im not seeing any reasons to vote hercule...just repeated assertions that his posts are bad ???
monologuing about yourself isnt a case on hercule

cases are scummy

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Hercule
Because I don't personally buy that he's towntold either

[Winter Flakes]

the worst (not the alt of "the best") is playing how i expect town him to so he's a prob town guy but I also don't know if id be capable of scumreading him early game anyway given his style so eh?

can you expand on this? I'm curious how you got this from what little he's actually done

I liked his progression on me but I think he knows me well enough that it wasn't super alignment indicative

the thing is i actually haven't seen him play scum game, but i've seen him play quite a few town games, so im kinda predisposed to townreading him

but i will say upon rereading that i might actually disagree with my original take (not sure how much to value this given there isn't a whole heap of content from him yet) based on how he's being a little snipey and the whole "i feel like this interaction was not a valuable use of my time" which seems a little uhh... lowkey LAMISTy I guess? more so than what i'd expect from him? like on reevaluation of his ISO after you asked this i'm actually stuck between reading his tone (which is relatively good imo) and his questioning (which seems a bit P E R F O R M A T I V E and not like they're really going anywhere)

yknow what

imma do it

imma hit him with it for the first time i think ever?

i think i SR the duck

VOTE: The Worst

-Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)

[Titus]

I like xtoxm.

I never did finish my skim but I may not.

If LLD is scum, Hercule almost certainly is. I don't see LLD putting down all her credibility on something she doesn't feel will flip scum. If Hercule flips town, LLD's read accuracy will be discounted at best.

[Almost50]

not to steal cephrir's schtick but I'm not entirely sure that there was one single alignment indicative line in all of those posts

BS! I'm a shining beacon of towniness. Every word I say oozes Town.. bleeds Town.. and even shits Town

[Almost50]

his stomach feeling on a50 is scum. i've told him that i veto any d1 a50 vote wishes he has.

Tell Auro to go get his stomach checked.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I like xtoxm.

I never did finish my skim but I may not.

If LLD is scum, Hercule almost certainly is. I don't see LLD putting down all her credibility on something she doesn't feel will flip scum. If Hercule flips town, LLD's read accuracy will be discounted at best.

Dude.

Titus is making sense and posting reasonable posts that contain correct logic and sound deductive reasoning.

Fuck, you're scum aren't you

[Almost50]

IV, Lamb, Dunn and Dann seem pre townie.

Lamb???

[Lady Lambdadelta]

IV, Lamb, Dunn and Dann seem pre townie.

Lamb???

I prefer BlackSheep, but Lamb will do.

Though I suppose ewe wouldn't get that joke.

[Almost50]

without quoting five long posts, your vibes feel off here. you seem overly manic in a way that feels kinda fake/trying to look overenthusiastic

Dunn said something similar (using less words) about an early post of mine in the cancelled game. He was wrong, and so are you.

[Almost50]

also as a sidenote i think you've taken the concept of shitposting a little too literally in that pic for me only

You

did

ask us to post something that didn't like.

[Almost50]

how do you read A50 right now

I'm not Ceph, but I assure you he reads my posts left to right like you do

[Almost50]

agree with this btw. the first time you made the joke i glazed over it. the second time you made it i actively didn't exhale any air

I suppose if I do it a third time you'd fart??

[Dunnstral]

without quoting five long posts, your vibes feel off here. you seem overly manic in a way that feels kinda fake/trying to look overenthusiastic

Dunn said something similar (using less words) about an early post of mine in the cancelled game. He was wrong, and so are you.

Uh.. I didn't scumread you that game. It must have been an off-hand comment

[Almost50]

I don't like:

Scumreading LLD

SRing LLD is always WISE. This is my 6th game with her and she's 3:2 (Scum:Town) in the previous 5

[Almost50]

there's a lot of stuff from A50 that feels a bit tonally off to me

So you think I got an evil mind
I'll tell you honey
That I don't know why
I don't know why

So you think my singing's out of time
It makes me money
And I don't know why
And I don't know why anymore
Oh no

Cum on feel the noize
Girls rock your boys
We get wild, wild, wild
Wild, wild, wild

Cum on feel the noize
Girls rock your boys
We get wild, wild, wild
Let it rock

So you think I got a funny face
I ain't got no worries
And I don't know why
And I don't know why

Oh I gotta sing with some disgrace
I ain't in no hurry
And I don't know why
I don't know why anymore
Oh no

Cum on feel the noize
Girls rock your boys
We get wild, wild, wild
Wild, wild, wild