Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

[SirCakez]

I am quite invested in this game because I am 3/3 on reads so far and I feel like I can actually make an impact unlike most games where I just get yeeted in the first three days

[unwnd]

Yes I'm pretty sure there's a deepwolf somewhere, and the gun given to you reflects that. I think they also feared clearing ambiguous slots as well

[SirCakez]

Hey, hey guys!

Don't forget about WIFOM!

Although if I was 90% accurate it's definitely too risky for most scumteams, I wouldn't doubt expectations that I hit another scumslot before I hit green, to push for spurious "clears". Top read is most likely to be wrong, second in line I'm less sure of -- especially since second-in-line is the one pushing that my reads must all be poo. The rest could go either way, but I'd say no fewer than 2 of my 4 stated scumreads must be wrong.

I think there's a chance of this also being positioning for a deepwolf that I townread.

All of these are things I am considering.

I mean
I know I'm town and there has been a case brought up that scum want me shot more than once so it shouldn't be a surprise I'm trying to get you to change your mind

[unwnd]

3/3 on reads so far

Who exactly? I do see your enthusiasm regardless

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Given that you are deeply scummy to me, SirCakez, and that I play an extremely sideways game of Mafia, particularly when I have /mechanical control/, it shouldn't be a surprise that you cannot change my mind unless I want you to. Hunt scum, don't try and influence me.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I should clarify: that goes for everyone. No one is going to change my mind unless I decide that I am open to hearing what they have to say. It is possible I will decide that and not say it. Anything is possible, in fact! But you should presume that I am a terrible tyrant and that I will rule with cruelty alone, just to be safe.

[SirCakez]

3/3 on reads so far

Who exactly? I do see your enthusiasm regardless

Lotus nulltown, Duchess scum, Mush town

Given that you are deeply scummy to me, SirCakez, and that I play an extremely sideways game of Mafia, particularly when I have /mechanical control/, it shouldn't be a surprise that you cannot change my mind unless I want you to. Hunt scum, don't try and influence me.

Fair enough

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm going to make a bold statement.

STT is town. This is not absolute.
Not_Mafia is scum. This /is/ absolute.

I'm going to make a bold request, too.

unwnd, tell me one reason I shouldn't shoot you right now. Saying "I'm town" or "because Not_Mafia is right there" are not reasons, they are deflections. I want an actual reason from you that you cannot be scum.

[Imperium]

So it turns out that there is a God.
Not that I had too many doubts in the first place that Mush was town but it's always reassuring to see that the only person that I needed to be town was actually town

[SirCakez]

Hi Imperium how does the Duchess scum flip affect your reads?

[Imperium]

Was Duchess a scumread of mine or a townread?

[unwnd]

- I was pretty adamant on killing Duchess and she was trying to appeal to me instead of trying to read me, exclusively. Bussing can exist in this format, but it's less beneficial because a gun is far more direct than wagonomics
- I've mediated some conversations that I felt could've gone overboard (e.g I care about the health of the gamestate, something I would not give a shit about as scum)
- I have a pretty decent PoE so far, I'd be playing to lose at this rate if I were just tallying scum in the way I have

[SirCakez]

Was Duchess a scumread of mine or a townread?

I don't know because all you talked about yesterday was Peta and me
If you said which I don't remember

[Imperium]

Happy that my ride or die townread on Mush was right!

We thought unwnd would probably get the gun.

And glad that my original theory that there was scum in cakez/duchess, regardless of norfolk's alignment was right. so nyah nyah nyah to the haters.

AND I'm no longer allowing myself to be baited by STT or Cakez. The communication issue is not mine. I've explained and clarified myself numerous times; if they're either unable to understand me or refuse to interact/read my posts in good faith that's on them, and there's nothing I can do about that. Gonna take a cue from muffin man and shrug here.

I did consider that duchess/STT were taking a divide and conquer approach where duchess was kinda buddying up to me and understanding me, which I totally appreciated even though she was scum, that STT was trying to bait me. But i think their belligerent and indignant misunderstanding of me while proclaiming they do understand is laughable and probably town.

Boop Boop Peta is still scum.

[unwnd]

I actually thought I'd get the gun too, but that just means you don't respect me and the scumteam does

Or that they didn't respect my hipfiring claims lol

[Imperium]

I think if I shoot duchess I die

She flips red though

Why would you die.

Do lean her flipping red though.

I actually thought I'd get the gun too, but that just means you don't respect me and the scumteam does

Or that they didn't respect my hipfiring claims lol

No it has nothing to do with disrespecting you and everything to do with our confidence on Peta being scum here.

[unwnd]

Doesn't MUSH want Peta dead too? I'm pretty sure she does...

[Imperium]

Was Duchess a scumread of mine or a townread?

I don't know because all you talked about yesterday was Peta and me
If you said which I don't remember

I did say.

Which is why you're pissing me and Tammy off this game. I am not bothered about being tunneled - people make mistakes. When you tunneled with the whole game in Family Mafia, it didn't bother me because you didn't know me.

But we've been scum partners three times. You know you tend to default to scumreading me based on our history together. So the most basic piece that I need from you is to simply read my posts and you just aren't doing that.

And if you don't respect me enough to complete step 1 and attempt to read my posts, then I won't be wasting my time talking to you.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

- I was pretty adamant on killing Duchess and she was trying to appeal to me instead of trying to read me, exclusively. Bussing can exist in this format, but it's less beneficial because a gun is far more direct than wagonomics
- I've mediated some conversations that I felt could've gone overboard (e.g I care about the health of the gamestate, something I would not give a shit about as scum)
- I have a pretty decent PoE so far, I'd be playing to lose at this rate if I were just tallying scum in the way I have

This is all crap for one simple reason:

Your "excellent reads" could very well be TMI. You certainly draw attention to them each time you get the opportunity. You very well could be playing mediator to get on people's good sides -- like an indirect, scattershot approach to pocketing, "that unwnd sure is a great person!" And you yourself mentioned that bussing can exist where the other side is trying to appeal to you. But I respect Duchess's scum game just from what I saw of their play, and I think they are extremely capable of deciding to have their team bus that way, being conscious of the risks and (more importantly) the benefits.

So, let's try this again. Why should I not shoot you?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Oh, and in case it was missed, the "one simple reason" is "scum can easily do all of this, it isn't even a big risk really."

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Cakez: I would like you to remind me, without checking, who you think first gave Duchess a scumread. No doublechecking. I'm going to insist on that. First thought that comes to mind.

[unwnd]

If you don't believe my words then that's on your conscience, not mine. To me those reasons are completely fine

[Imperium]

- I have a pretty decent PoE so far, I'd be playing to lose at this rate if I were just tallying scum in the way I have

You do, but it wasn't a difficult POE to get to. The fact that Petapan can't get there is bullshit when he's a stronger player than either you and I.

Him responding with "oh I was never known for being a town player in the first place" instead of "fuck you cheeky scumfuck" is ridiculous but you seem content with letting him get away with it - why?

[unwnd]

Peta is a stronger player than both of us? I think peta is competent but I don't like measuring ability in that way, mostly because it deters from my own reads

I just don't agree with BoP'ing in essence

[MUSHSHAGANA]

If you don't believe my words then that's on your conscience, not mine. To me those reasons are completely fine

That's too bad.

Gun's pointed in your direction right now. It's a really big gun too, but unfortunately I was only provided inert rounds. No explosions! Who does that, gives someone a 280mm mortar and doesn't even let them make a kaboom with it? Rude, I tell you.

Anyway, I want to squeeze as much content as I can out of this day to ensure a solve, so you have time to try and think of more reasons. I encourage you to do so.