Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Datisi]

VOTE: AFF we need wagons and Isis isn't one I'm joining.

have your reads changed in any way in the last ~18 hours and if so, how?

[ben dover123]

VOTE: AFF we need wagons and Isis isn't one I'm joining.

have your reads changed in any way in the last ~18 hours and if so, how?

No, they have remained the same since then. Nothing has changed for me yet.

[AaronFrost]

-Probably going to keep most of this shallow for the sake of actually getting back into the thread. Contents of this post apply up through #173, which is where I last left off reading before checking out.

fwiw the bit in particular that mena didn't like was the fact that you came around to aaron-scum just when the wagon was heating up. i don't think he particularly minds that you didn't actualy lay a vote down just then, but rather that you made a point of scumreading him just as that wagon was becoming a thing

it seems like schiavetto had that read before they even know my wagon was a thing so that reasoning doesn't check out

Depends on whether the readslist was authentically done in catchup or was done knowing what the gamestate was

-QB

true, but it felt genuine to me honestly

[Datisi]

VOTE: AFF we need wagons and Isis isn't one I'm joining.

have your reads changed in any way in the last ~18 hours and if so, how?

No, they have remained the same since then. Nothing has changed for me yet.

ok so can you talk to me about why you're voting aff now then? you said earlier he's "rather null" and that you wanna wait a bit until voting. the only +town thing you mentioned about isis was that the early attack was more likely to be bad town. is that still the case? is that the whole reason behind not wanting to join the isis wagon? bc i'm still struggling to follow your thought process here and if you're town i'd really like it if you could show me that?

[AaronFrost]

@Datisi

why does it feel like you're sort of backing down from your push on me when you were the one who got it started in the first place with that spicy vote? It's weird to me because there has been some resistance to the push on me, but not

that

much and I feel like you should be interacting with me a little more to try and figure out my alignment, but there just doesn't seem like much effort to read me at all.

Your play around the top two wagons feels pretty wishy-washy right now, you mentioned you didn't vibe with the Isis wagon and then you started the wagon onto me then didn't do much with it when it picked up steam other than an apparent dislike of Isis and ben dover's vote on me.

[ben dover123]

VOTE: AFF we need wagons and Isis isn't one I'm joining.

have your reads changed in any way in the last ~18 hours and if so, how?

No, they have remained the same since then. Nothing has changed for me yet.

ok so can you talk to me about why you're voting aff now then? you said earlier he's "rather null" and that you wanna wait a bit until voting. the only +town thing you mentioned about isis was that the early attack was more likely to be bad town. is that still the case? is that the whole reason behind not wanting to join the isis wagon? bc i'm still struggling to follow your thought process here and if you're town i'd really like it if you could show me that?

What are people's opinion's on AaronFrost?

Honestly he hasn't done anything of notice and some of what he has done seems a bit hedgy imo (Post #100, Post #293) and then yeah he jumped onto Isis' wagon just as it was gaining traction again. Some good takes in his ISO are Post #84 and Post #366. Also I saw a bunch of places where he repeated what others said but I don't know exactly what that says about him yet (Post #271, Post #299, Post #444).

Overall he's still rather null and

I could compromise on voting him

now but I want to let my reads sit a bit more given that I have no SR's.

I wanted my reads to sit out a bit more, I never said I was going to wait until voting.

Yes, I am against the Isis wagon because her bad attack feels to come from town more than not, and that seems to be the driving force behind her entire wagon (the bad attack is scummy). I dislike the latter thought process and so in order to counter the wagon/make my serious vote I decided to join AFF.

[ben dover123]

Also just to make sure I'm still looking in the right direction,

@everyone on the isis wagon

are you still voting her because of the V/LA attack?

[Datisi]

@Datisi

why does it feel like you're sort of backing down from your push on me when you were the one who got it started in the first place with that spicy vote? It's weird to me because there has been some resistance to the push on me, but not

that

much and I feel like you should be interacting with me a little more to try and figure out my alignment, but there just doesn't seem like much effort to read me at all.

Your play around the top two wagons feels pretty wishy-washy right now, you mentioned you didn't vibe with the Isis wagon and then you started the wagon onto me then didn't do much with it when it picked up steam other than an apparent dislike of Isis and ben dover's vote on me.

i don't think i feel like i'm backing down?? like sure i started it, why should that mean that i'd need to be some sorta force behind it? or even that i'm *that* certain in it? and i don't think i need to be interacting with you to be figuring out your alignment? you've pretty much already responded to things that i found suspicious about you (564) which like, *fine*, but i don't see much purpose arguing with you if your response is gonna be "playstyle".

that's just not how i play. if i thought you were 100% scum, i'd be saying that. in a gamestate like this (where i'm aware my reads are probably not top notch quality), i'm looking for something to grab my attention - and what's grabbed my attention was their votes on you.

[Datisi]

I wanted my reads to sit out a bit more, I never said I was going to wait until voting.

Yes, I am against the Isis wagon because her bad attack feels to come from town more than not, and that seems to be the driving force behind her entire wagon (the bad attack is scummy). I dislike the latter thought process and so in order to counter the wagon/make my serious vote I decided to join AFF.

i took the "i wanted my reads to sit out a bit more" to mean "before i place my vote"?

i guess i was wondering if you have an opinion on anything else she's done? also i know you said you could compromise on aff, but i don't think it's that time in the day yet where you *have* to compromise on someone. like, is aff the same level as all the rest of your null reads?

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.4

Isis (4) - seCret hYdra, AaronFrost, implosion, Bridgeburners
AaronFrost (4) - Datisi, Schiavetto, Isis, ben dover123
ben dover123 (1) - PenguinPower
Not_Mafia (1) - Not_Mafia
Schiavetto (1) - notscience

Not voting (2) - Scipio1, Infinity 324

(expired on 2021-02-16 10:41:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

[PenguinPower]

interesting...

[ben dover123]

i guess i was wondering if you have an opinion on anything else she's done? also i know you said you could compromise on aff, but i don't think it's that time in the day yet where you *have* to compromise on someone. like, is aff the same level as all the rest of your null reads?

how is that a townslip? doesn't this setup only have a godfather a quarter of the time or something?

^
This post pinged me town as well and that's mostly everything that stood out to me. Post #303 is weird but I don't think it's scum. The reaction to mena's attack was eh and Isis putting Schiavetto right at the top of her reads after 1 catchpost is questionable but that doesn't really change my read on her.

Also, no AFF is in the lower half or so of my nulls.

[Isis]

WHO IS AFF?!?!?!?!

[Isis]

WAIT.. I think maybe I figured out what one of the F's stood for..

[Isis]

VOTE: Datisi

[ben dover123]

VOTE: Datisi

...Care to explain this vote?

[PenguinPower]

WHO IS AFF?!?!?!?!

it's aaron fucking frost

[Isis]

fwiw i think ben is fairly townie

~ skitter

i find it interesting that both heads of this hydra disagree on the ben read, but i'm not sure what it means atm

not a high volume of IIoA, but wow is it cleanly classified as such! Some of his other posts can more weakly bear similar charges.

the fact that i don't have any real scumreads at the moment makes me wonder if there's scum in the low posters/inactives (schiavetto, not mafia, notsci although maybe less on notsci since they explicitly said they were gonna limit their posting)

notscience is not even actually a low-poster/inactive, he just said he was going to be, then he's had standard activity. I thought it was weird. I guess the only scenario where it's scummy weird is when notscience has posted in a scum PT that he's gonna self impose a limit and gets to lurk but don't worry he'd prob do it as town too.
It's not super characterizable but it's super weird! like notsci feels high content to me. Though I don't remember much of the content so he's probably scum

[Isis]

VOTE: AFF we need wagons and Isis isn't one I'm joining.

have your reads changed in any way in the last ~18 hours and if so, how?

No, they have remained the same since then. Nothing has changed for me yet.

ok so can you talk to me about why you're voting aff now then? you said earlier he's "rather null" and that you wanna wait a bit until voting. the only +town thing you mentioned about isis was that the early attack was more likely to be bad town. is that still the case? is that the whole reason behind not wanting to join the isis wagon? bc i'm still struggling to follow your thought process here and if you're town i'd really like it if you could show me that?

This seems like a scumpost to me. The last line is level zero, extremely towny to post. Datisi knows it's extremely townie to post. But I don't think Datisi organically posted it. It reads like a plastic cake to me. like. this post has 6-7 different lines of inquiry trying to tease out of ben to "solve" him and it seems like overkill and the organic version of this post would focus either on the AaronFrost read or the Isis read.

like.
idk look at some of this diction

[Isis]

also I'm like bored of caring about bendover's alignment and perhaps-unfairly want everyone else in the game to be mimicking that, other people seem a lot more interesting to me right now, I want to reread ben like day 3 or something

[PenguinPower]

Why'd you move off AFF to a 0-vote wagon?

[Isis]

I can't even begin to explain how I don't play the game with the framework you seem to be suggesting

[Isis]

but yes I had glanced at the VC just before moving and saw it was 4-4

[PenguinPower]

Ok - why'd you move off of AFF (someone you decided was worthy of your vote) to someone who no one else decided was worthy of a vote and to whit you have not really explained why you think is worthy of a vote beyond a tonal read of one post?

[Isis]

I didn't believe in the AFF vote that much to begin with