In post 550, 2ndchosen1 wrote:@cantrip
"@2ndChosen: Talk to me about your first game. What did you think? What was it like? Etc."
the general strategy that I am proud to be the one to have implemented was a kind of chaos strat. We had an IC that was giving ok reads at best but even when he had some scum we left him alive. this caused a doubt in his reads as repeatedly town kept coming up and we killed any town that might have been a stabilizing influence to the game. It spiraled into enough pressure that he ultimately made nothing but iffy calls at best while the rest of town sheeped the IC. I mentioned in an earlier post to meuh a few things about it like me giving some IIOA lists that I hid behind and that I had played the "Am new here, am smooth brained, plz disregard" card. of course, unlike meuh I did those on D2 and D3, when such things should be more severe. but luckily by D3 the pressure on IC was pretty much overloaded. Was a fun game, and we did manage to keep IC to the end.
looking back a lot of things fell into place a lot better than it should have, D1 eliminated all non-Vigi power roles of a JOAT and Bp townie.
so....how does me talking about this help with the current game? wouldn't it be better to get my meta/impression of the game from the actual topic?
@Krazy: Your
433 resonated with me a little, but I had been thinking more that his tone was somewhere between angry and annoyed. I figured, given he'd only played a single game, that maybe he was frustrated to have rolled scum a second time. So I wanted to get a sense of his first game to see how he talked about it. This response isn't strong, but I generally get the feeling that he had fun, so my theory doesn't really hold water. I guess if he's scum he could be annoyed that he doesn't get to try town.
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So I was looking at these progressions:
Marci:
238 she says "But i do agree that 2nd isnt a good vote. To me, 2nd seems like an easy push and i don't rlly see much wrong about them, (tho everyones saying tone??)" and then indicates she'd be ok with a Meuh elim, but just unvotes Kazyan.
241 she jokes about being a Chosen partner and says Chosen's ISO just feels like a lurker's ISO, not a mafia one.
257 is a weird senpai to Harumi that feels really out of place.
259 she says "harumi is who i thinks most scum
so ill vote that then, but i dont want to vote anyone else, im not confident in anyone else being scum." and votes Harumi.
261 she reiterates the "not confident in Harumi, but seems scummiest" and also reiterates why she doesn't think Chosen is scum.
266,
278,
279 are all dedicated to defending Chosen from Krazy.
289 is more "Chosen not scum" and saying she wants to sort Chosen D2.
303 is a response to Meuh about Chosen.
379 is responses to me about Chosen.
452 responds to a Krazy question about Chosen, and responds to Harumi's accusation that Marci is "skittish and defensive". The next post we get is:
In post 496, marcistar wrote:
Still think ur scummy
you dont feel like a town whos trying to prove their innocence.
In post 462, Cantripmancer wrote:@Marci: Since your vote on Harumi in
259 you haven't moved your vote, but you also, unless I missed something, haven't talked about Harumi other than just recently asking them about finding you skittish. You've used a lot of words to talk about why you don't think Chosen is scum, but don't seem to be trying to figure Harumi out at all. Why not?
I don''t hhave any thoughts on chosens alignment rn..
I HATE TYPING SO MUCH I BY ACCIDENT DELETED SOMETHING I WROTE.
I think harumis overall more scummy by how often they post and their word choices. Meanwhile I choose to believe Chosens excuse of being busy because i think its genuine based on how its worded.
I think thats what i wrote
She makes that statement (large text/color highlighting mine) in response to me asking why she's spent all her time defending Chosen and not attacking Harumi. This is after literally the last six posts she made were talking about Chosen.
Until I looked at the ISO, I didn't realize how constant the defense was, which certainly could point to Marci being scumbuddies with Chosen, but I noticed something when I looked at Harumi's posts:
Harumi:
61 is their early reads list, has Chosen as null (to be expected at that point, not even sure Chosen had posted yet).
304 is really the next time they have any focused discussion on him, within the context of chainsaw defenses and a possible Meuh/Chosen team. They say they're going to look at Chosen and a few minutes later they post:
In post 305, Harumi Ayasato wrote:2nd hasn't posted as much as Meuh, but it's hard for me to point out anything specifically wrong with them. I'm just getting a bad feeling regarding them, like they're not being sincere.
So I'm going to
VOTE: Meuh for now, but 2nd is going on my PoE.
So nothing specific, but a "bad feeling".
The next post they make in the game (150-ish posts later), Chosen has moved back to null (and gets one of the two explanations), and Marci gets the other one:
In post 451, Harumi Ayasato wrote:This might come off as a tad evasive but it's a bit difficult to do a full iso read when five pages show up overnight
My rough readlist would have to be as follows:
{Krazy}
{Kazyan}
{alisae, cantripmancer, italiano, 2ndchosen} - I know I said I didn't like 2nd but I took another look and I've decided I might have been suffering from confirmation bias. Still a null for me though.
{Marcistar} - bit skittish and defensive which I don't like, but it's probably a playstyle thing so eh.
{meuh}
453 they start questioning Marci attacking them.
587 they are "kinda starting to loosen up" on Meuh because Meuh's posts have been productive, and Marci gets a vote.
591 they say their suspicions on Chosen were "probably just [theirself] rather than anything actually scummy from [Chosen]".
So here's what I'm seeing: both Marci and Harumi start off null/townlean on Chosen. Marci white knights him the whole way (rather obsessively), while Harumi briefly entertains him as scum before putting him back to null. And they're attacking each other and cross-voting. So my hot-take is that they're buddies and sensing Chosen as a likely elim and both looking for some "told ya so" town cred when he flips town while also establishing some distancing from each other.
Of course, I know that my hot-takes often end up being tepid, so this really only matters if Chosen flips town.
Marci's obsession with defending Chosen is pretty constant, which makes me think if Chosen is scum, there's a good chance Marci is a buddy. But the
tone
I'm getting from Marci is pretty pure. So I don't really want to eliminate Marci at this point.
So I'm down to eliminate Chosen or Harumi, with slight preference for Chosen because I think it'll be a good info elim either way.
Thanks for the reassurance, Krazy, but my homesite is structured around E-2 being the "hold yer horses" point, and I can't quite override that instinct. Too many experiences with rash hammers (from both alignments). Consider my vote on Chosen for the time being until we decide we want to move forward.
Question: Is mafia daychat the standard on this site? Or more common than not?
