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[OkaPoka]

ngl i just quick skimmed, will want to talk about some stuff later here but uhh let's just say the university of zoom is kicking my ass

bell improving

Can you talk me through your read progression on Bell?

ducky lurky and ducky not play game -> i am sus -> he vlas -> less sus -> comes back and still doesn't play -> resus -> subs out -> less sus -> bell subs in and is scummy -> am sus -> today bell starts asking questions that look like sorting -> less sus

[Ythan]

I think Bell is likely town here anyone wanna weigh in on that?

[OkaPoka]

meh

[Ythan]

A50 tm2021 mvp

[OkaPoka]

hop voting me is not a good look for him tbh especially with his post before that

[Luca Blight]

I think Bell is likely town here anyone wanna weigh in on that?

Why do you think so?

[Luca Blight]

Ceph is pinging me today. I feel as though he's following the path of least resistance rather than genuinely trying to solve the game.

[innocentvillager]

you either agree on something, or you don't agree on anything
if the first one is town!indicative, the second one HAS to be scum!indicative, because as I understand it those are the only two possibilities

No?

When Titus and I are town, we can both have a lack of agreement.
When Titus and I are of opposite alignments, we WILL have a lack of agreement.
When Titus and I are town, we can both have agreement.

Those are the three possibilities.
There's no way to distinguish the first from the second. When there's a lack of agreement, it could be Titus town or Titus scum.
But because when Titus and I are different alignments, we usually don't have agreement, the presence of agreement is a good indicator of Titus being town.

i think im thinking about this more probabilistically because that's just how i think about things, for better or worse.

very briefly, assuming those 3 statements are the true possibilities (im skeptical of this but whatever, i can accept that there's some correlation with how much you "agree" and Titus's alignment), if you only told me Titus and you lack agreement this game, my probability for Titus being scum increases, because we know the 3rd scenario is not possible-so I'd call you two lacking agreement scum-indicative.

probably not worth getting into further

this whole game, you have both spouted many, many opinions

Yes, and the whole time they were polar opposites, until now.

So yes--two things in common IS enough to give massive pause.

It's a part of the Titus-mastina dynamic.
Yes, Titus can agree with something I've said--but coming to the same conclusion as me without me having said it first is where the importance is.

It's a bit hard to explain, but genuinely, two posts is enough to give hesitance on Titus.
It's not enough for a full reversal because the full synergy isn't there in full effect.

i still think if you had a random person bullshitting opinions (yes, even before you say anything), they would happen to align with yours a semi significant amount of the time, which is why i feel that 2 out of like, many many opinions, is very small comparatively

i guess I'm just seeing you go from "hard scumread" to "null-conflicted" on Titus over something statistically not that improbable, so I worry that you're writing her off too early. like you had quite a few unrelated reasons that she was scum that actually weren't unreasonable imo (unless they were severely cherry-picked posts) so I just feel like this seems like a little dramatic to me. idk, maybe some anti-tunnelling skepticism is good tho

[innocentvillager]

ngl i just quick skimmed, will want to talk about some stuff later here but uhh let's just say the university of zoom is kicking my ass

bell improving

Can you talk me through your read progression on Bell?

ducky lurky and ducky not play game -> i am sus -> he vlas -> less sus -> comes back and still doesn't play -> resus -> subs out -> less sus -> bell subs in and is scummy -> am sus -> today bell starts asking questions that look like sorting -> less sus

oka can you talk about why you backed off Ythan yesterday if you haven't already (feel free to quote if you did)? i remember engaging you on Ythan, not feeling like I convinced you of anything, and then you switched to dgb after being conflicted anyway

[Cephrir]

Ceph is pinging me today. I feel as though he's following the path of least resistance rather than genuinely trying to solve the game.

:shrug:

there are like 5 people i want to make dead and i feel like i need some scum flips to get a sense of what's actually going on

[Ythan]

I think Bell is likely town here anyone wanna weigh in on that?

Why do you think so?

I think scum were likely aware of what he missed by the time he made those posts, and I do believe he missed it.

[innocentvillager]

Ceph is pinging me today. I feel as though he's following the path of least resistance rather than genuinely trying to solve the game.

:shrug:

there are like 5 people i want to make dead and i feel like i need some scum flips to get a sense of what's actually going on

which 5 again?

[Luca Blight]

@Poka:

I don't get why you seem to have no problem with Bell's vote on me, given you TR my slot and that his vote made no sense. He's avoided clarifying what he meant despite me asking twice since. It feels as though he's looking to avoid conflict and doesn't really believe in his read, because if he did he would want to highlight exactly why he thinks I'm scum. Atm it feels like he wanted to quietly vote me without causing any fuss, and it's backfired on him.

[innocentvillager]

Well I'm exhausted and going to bed. But it looks like A50 fake claimed a guilty on Ythan?

Okay. But y tho?
A50/Ythan weird scum gambit maybe?

Yep, I got a headache thinking about the motivations for each possible combination. It feels dumb.

If you even wanted to entertain that he would go first.

I'm aware.

@Ythan these posts are townie from Bell because you think he genuinely missed the whole debacle?

[Ythan]

More when it continues onto page 169.

[Ythan]

Did you happen to catch why I unvoted a50 when he retracted the claim?

I recall it being that you felt it would be appropriate for a vig to shoot imm to sort and we should hunt else where.

I think this is a town post.

[OkaPoka]

ngl i just quick skimmed, will want to talk about some stuff later here but uhh let's just say the university of zoom is kicking my ass

bell improving

Can you talk me through your read progression on Bell?

ducky lurky and ducky not play game -> i am sus -> he vlas -> less sus -> comes back and still doesn't play -> resus -> subs out -> less sus -> bell subs in and is scummy -> am sus -> today bell starts asking questions that look like sorting -> less sus

oka can you talk about why you backed off Ythan yesterday if you haven't already (feel free to quote if you did)? i remember engaging you on Ythan, not feeling like I convinced you of anything, and then you switched to dgb after being conflicted anyway

agar basically told me i was policying ythan for being ythan which i mean isn't necessarily bad imo

and ythan did a semi redemption arc where he started sorting and doing stuff more proactively, actually kinda like what he's doing rn.

dgb well im going to not say anything. of course if you are a nerd and remember things i don't think i need to connect the dots for you because its all there, but as it stands things are being said and im interested in who picks up on what.

[Cephrir]

Ceph is pinging me today. I feel as though he's following the path of least resistance rather than genuinely trying to solve the game.

:shrug:

there are like 5 people i want to make dead and i feel like i need some scum flips to get a sense of what's actually going on

which 5 again?

titus/jjh/luca/bell
i don't want to kill ythan anymore, but winter/hop are also candidates

i guess i should try to sort these people or something

[Cephrir]

yall playing some sort of 4d chess game right now that's about a mile over my head apparently

[OkaPoka]

@Poka:

I don't get why you seem to have no problem with Bell's vote on me, given you TR my slot and that his vote made no sense. He's avoided clarifying what he meant despite me asking twice since. It feels as though he's looking to avoid conflict and doesn't really believe in his read, because if he did he would want to highlight exactly why he thinks I'm scum. Atm it feels like he wanted to quietly vote me without causing any fuss, and it's backfired on him.

well tbh im interested in bell doing anything. although i will admit im a little sad he's not casing you further but also i don't townread you enough nor do i think it matters enough where i care about stopping pressure on you. im pretty sure he's voting you because he didn't like your catchup fwiw at least that's what i got out of it

[Luca Blight]

Ceph, you've been shading me all day but haven't given a single reason for why you SR me.

[Ythan]

We are no longer accepting further townslips of ignorance at the moment.

[Cephrir]

Ceph, you've been shading me all day but haven't given a single reason for why you SR me.

yeah, i just suspected your predecessor and now so did two dead townies whose opinions i hold in high regard and you have made no impression on me whatsoever

[OkaPoka]

although iv you should know exactly why i swapped to dgb iirc and im surprised you haven't been picking up on some interesting things that are being said

[Cephrir]

We are no longer accepting further townslips of ignorance at the moment.

if that's the case then are you gonna share it with the class now or nah