Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Afternoon Vote Count 1.01

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (4): Spiffeh, SirCakez, Battle Mage, quiet
MathBlade (3): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
Spiffeh (1): Dunnstral
SirCakez (1): MathBlade

Not voting (8): sangres, Tammy, borkjerfkin, Kitty Trauma Team, mastina, Titus, GreyICE, Prism


Mod notes: mastina and MathBlade V/LA until Monday evening
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[SirCakez]

This is VC pagetop reservation~

Who told you you could do that?

[MathBlade]

I will make you a deal LLD.

I will self hammer if you get me to L-1 and then you and the game tunnel Cakez tomorrow as hard as you’re tunneling me. Because you’re wrong here and your reads suck if you’re town. Your mason claim is sus as fuck.

I know I am town and I think if I think you’re masons this keeps you alive and if I don’t then I don’t.

It’s a win win.

[MathBlade]

I literally just finished a game with Cakez scum.

I feel bad he keeps drawing it but this is his MO.

[SirCakez]

What is my scum MO Math?

[MathBlade]

General negativity and not building a townread list or starting from there

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=26092

Same vibes as here
I suck at explaining meta reads so example provided

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if there is a traitor.

Based on what?
Even mentioning this unprompted feels like possible signaling if true

Like, why did you actually start talking about traitor?

Dunnstral - It's his gimmick that in every game he plays, he speculates early about a Mafia Traitor. Have you never played with Mathblade before?

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Battle Mage]

yeah i've read up to here. Dunnstral trying very hard to deflect attention, moreso than I expect from him as town.

[Titus]

Math, the thread wants to talk about Dunnstral.

What is your read there?

[MathBlade]

Maybe scum. 65% sure. Much more sure on Cakez.

[Battle Mage]

don't let the great be the enemy of the good

[MathBlade]

My biggest concern on the Dunn wagon is it’s too fast.
I know I am town but I am no big loss if I die except flavor knowledge.
I just can’t help but figure out why I was singled out as I sometimes suck with reads << No offense from earlier Spiffeh.
I wouldn’t have the foggiest idea if I am hammering him or not.

[MathBlade]

Why would scum want me a let’s be generous and say below average player like me dead?

[SirCakez]

General negativity and not building a townread list or starting from there

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=26092

Same vibes as here
I suck at explaining meta reads so example provided

Ok but that's just how I play it's not unique to my scum meta.

[quiet]

What is your read on Math? You kinda dance around him without actually taking a position.

My position is on Math is:

I think the amount of Math scrutiny today is real interesting, there's probably some good sorting I can do around the Math slot when I get some time tonight to review exactly how that wagon came about and who was pushing when and why, but my last experience with scum!Math was mostly contained to a neighborhood thread replacing deep in Boonytoons, which is feeling different to how Math has acted here (obviously we are in a very different situation in this game vs. that one, but I'm not quite ready or convinced by the stuff I've heard so far that Math is scum here).

I'm also feeling a bit of dejavu on Math/Titus; I've heard the "math is acting bad and/or scummy but I think they're town, be better or I policy you" argument before almost verbatim.

I hope to have a better answer for you tonight, but I'm in agreement with someone else who said that they think Math will resolve given a day, and I'd prefer to push elsewhere rn. For what it's worth, I decently liked Math's response to me.

[MathBlade]

Along that thought stream, what if LLD is town and Prism is town and they’re both town derp? Scum didn’t want me miselimmed but were more than happy to add to the pressure.

And Cakez that is not you every game. You ask more questions as town. More vocal.

[MathBlade]

To be clear I think Prism could be traitor but probably not worth a push today.

[quiet]

My point here was that going out of your way to work in the "LLD over Prism" bit struck me as odd and performative. I'm not at all surprised to see that you would never townread me in a million years.

Eh, wasn't out of my way whatsoever; I checked out of the thread during the morning phase when it was still up in the air who would get it, with a fair lean towards you. I came back, saw you didn't get it, was relieved for reasons I stand behind, but given that I didn't vote/was away from the discussion, I wanted to give a signpost for my feeling on who should have received the artifact. It was the first thing on my mind when I came back to the thread.

This SirCakez vs Math thing is interesting. The way SirCakez phrased his question to me about Math was also interesting. SirCakez + Spiff are responsible for the Dunn wagon, SirCakez with their hot take, Spiff with the strong follow through.

@Math why has scum!SirCakez positioned himself around both you and Dunn the way he has? If you think Dunn is 65% scum, but SirCakez is worse, SirCakez positioning is bussing to you, with the intention of swapping back onto you later in the day? I'm not super convinced of that

[MathBlade]

My point here was that going out of your way to work in the "LLD over Prism" bit struck me as odd and performative. I'm not at all surprised to see that you would never townread me in a million years.

Eh, wasn't out of my way whatsoever; I checked out of the thread during the morning phase when it was still up in the air who would get it, with a fair lean towards you. I came back, saw you didn't get it, was relieved for reasons I stand behind, but given that I didn't vote/was away from the discussion, I wanted to give a signpost for my feeling on who should have received the artifact. It was the first thing on my mind when I came back to the thread.

This SirCakez vs Math thing is interesting. The way SirCakez phrased his question to me about Math was also interesting. SirCakez + Spiff are responsible for the Dunn wagon, SirCakez with their hot take, Spiff with the strong follow through.

@Math why has scum!SirCakez positioned himself around both you and Dunn the way he has? If you think Dunn is 65% scum, but SirCakez is worse, SirCakez positioning is bussing to you, with the intention of swapping back onto you later in the day? I'm not super convinced of that

Not sure why yet. Dunn does feel scum but so does Cakez. I don’t think the possible positioning on me is likely though. Cakez does remember his positioning as scum as evidenced by the elo spat. I also don’t consider him responsible for Dunn. He had an early vote sure but Spiffeh seems to drive more than Cakez off the top of my head. Will have to double check after work.

[quiet]

I explained that terribly; what I mean is that following your FoS, you think there is a decent frequency at which scum!Cakez busses Dunn, gets called on it by Spiff, looks to transition suspicion back to you by EoD?

(pedit, yep, that's pretty close to what you just said)

Okay, interesting. It was a decently light suspicion that Cakez was throwing Dunn's way before Spiff stepped in.

@Dunn, why did you choose to push back on Spiff and not Cakez? Do you have a Cakez read?

[MathBlade]

I explained that terribly; what I mean is that following your FoS, you think there is a decent frequency at which scum!Cakez busses Dunn, gets called on it by Spiff, looks to transition suspicion back to you by EoD?

(pedit, yep, that's pretty close to what you just said)

Okay, interesting. It was a decently light suspicion that Cakez was throwing Dunn's way before Spiff stepped in.

@Dunn, why did you choose to push back on Spiff and not Cakez? Do you have a Cakez read?

That I am not sure of. Mainly I think Cakez’s opening where he’s really nice then characterizes me as melting down (which Spiffeh mentioned) then coming back in and being all gungho on Dunn after others are is characteristic of he doesn’t want to be seen on a me wagon if he’s scum. Not sure if it’s a bus though is my problem. Could be.

[MathBlade]

He knows what my scum play when it’s not smart to push anywhere is. See day one of the Boonskiies game. I was trying to get elimmed and put out weak defenses to try to not be elimmed just in case it worked. I know when as scum a slot can be saved and when I die. (Eg when accidentally bussing traitor in elo same game) because there was no way to push anyone without confirming them as town. (Ironically as scum I suck at finding traitor lol)

[Titus]

don't let the great be the enemy of the good

This Math. You have to understand every scumread you can get is good. As the game progresses, you can be more stubborn on reads but early it's all about building the core that gets consensus reads out.

[Titus]

Why would scum want me a let’s be generous and say below average player like me dead?

Free miselimination is a free miselimination

[MathBlade]

don't let the great be the enemy of the good

This Math. You have to understand every scumread you can get is good. As the game progresses, you can be more stubborn on reads but early it's all about building the core that gets consensus reads out.

Can you do an unofficial VC? I am scared of hammering Dunn while I am at work.